***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[O.city]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

I'm still refreshing like crazy for the March 17th new cases. See if the dip is an anomaly or not. It's like waiting for the crop report in Trading Places.

https://www.worldometers.info/corona...country/italy/

They’ve had 3 straight days of same number of new cases

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Titty Meat

I think some of the guessing on posted in here is still wrong according to the experts.

Dude number of cases is not the point. I think we know a shit ton of people are going to get it. Just like a shit ton get the flu.


You can't say the number of cases is the sole metric. The question is what does it mean if you do get it? Again, just like the flu.

Just because we have the same amount of people who may get it as Italy, does not mean we will have the same number of deaths, etc.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

I'm still refreshing like crazy for the March 17th new cases. See if the dip is an anomaly or not. It's like waiting for the crop report in Trading Places.

https://www.worldometers.info/corona...country/italy/

I would quit focusing on Italy and focus on the US. The number of cases and deaths are going to go up. But at this point we are at the lowest mortality rate we have been at since it started.

Most medical professionals I have talked too fully expect the number of cases to go up but that does not mean the mortality rate has to go up. It most likely will go down as we see more cases. And so far, cross our fingers, that has been the case. We were at a 2.5% mortality rate last week. we are now between 1.6%-1.7%.

The haunting reality of Italy is not the number of people getting it but the number of people dying from it.

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Dude number of cases is not the point. I think we know a shit ton of people are going to get it. Just like a shit ton get the flu.


You can't say the number of cases is the sole metric. The question is what does it mean if you do get it? Again, just like the flu.

Just because we have the same amount of people who may get it as Italy, does not mean we will have the same number of deaths, etc.

This isnt like the flu please educate yourself.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Titty Meat

This isnt like the flu please educate yourself.

Please quit pretending I said it is. Educate yourself.

[Chief Roundup]

http://www.kake.com/story/41906786/k...SdEf0sAq6De-4Y

WOW so all public schools in Kansas are closed for the rest of the school year.

[BWillie]

Originally Posted by petegz28

I would quit focusing on Italy and focus on the US. The number of cases and deaths are going to go up. But at this point we are at the lowest mortality rate we have been at since it started.

Most medical professionals I have talked too fully expect the number of cases to go up but that does not mean the mortality rate has to go up. It most likely will go down as we see more cases. And so far, cross our fingers, that has been the case. We were at a 2.5% mortality rate last week. we are now between 1.6%-1.7%.

The haunting reality of Italy is not the number of people getting it but the number of people dying from it.

Please show your work. How are you obtaining the current mortality rate? You know you cant use active cases that haven't run their course to either a recovery or a death, right?

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by BWillie

Please show your work. How are you obtaining the current mortality rate? You know you cant use active cases that haven't run their course to either a recovery or a death, right?

I get my numbers from the CDC, bro.

Right now we have a total of 109 deaths from a total of 6,439 total cases. And yes, you can. That's all you can do.

109/6439 =1.69%

[Kiimo]

Way to completely ignore the important part of what he just said

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Please quit pretending I said it is. Educate yourself.

You literally compared it to the flu "a shit ton of people are going to get it just like a shit ton get the flu"

You do realize we have treatments for the flu there is no treatment for this and just because we might not have the death tolls of italy were still on the same trajectory for number of cases and that will put immense stress on our health care system paired with our already tanking economy this isnt good. Yet dumbassss like you keep making up arguments "it's just the flu" "it's not that bad" etc etc

[oaklandhater]

Over half of France's 300 coronavirus ICU patients under age 60

https://thehill.com/changing-america...-patients-with


the flu doesn't put people under 60 in the icu for the most part.


This shit is bad.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by BWillie

Please show your work. How are you obtaining the current mortality rate? You know you cant use active cases that haven't run their course to either a recovery or a death, right?

To elaborate even more, if we used only "closed cases" we would have a mortality rate of 51%.

Do you think 1 out of 2 people who get this are going to die?

[Titty Meat]

�� #COVID19 — Coronavirus World Update

���� China 80,881 (+21)
���� Italy 31,506 (+3,526)
���� Iran 16,169 (+1,178)
���� Spain 11,826 (+1,884)
���� Germany 9,360 (+2,088)
���� S. Korea 8,320 (+84)
���� France 7,730 (+1,097)
���� USA 6,420 (+1,768)
���� Switzerland 2,700 (+370)
���� UK 1,950 (+407)

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Titty Meat

You literally compared it to the flu "a shit ton of people are going to get it just like a shit ton get the flu"

You do realize we have treatments for the flu there is no treatment for this and just because we might not have the death tolls of italy were still on the same trajectory for number of cases and that will put immense stress on our health care system paired with our already tanking economy this isnt good. Yet dumbassss like you keep making up arguments "it's just the flu" "it's not that bad" etc etc

Again, you are trying to spin what I said. Getting sick happens to people all the time, dude. It's the consequence of getting sick that people care about. Does it mean a stuffy nose or does it mean I am gonna die?

You are the one being a dumb ass trying to have it both ways.

[BWillie]

Originally Posted by petegz28

I get my numbers from the CDC, bro.

Right now we have a total of 109 deaths from a total of 6,439 total cases. And yes, you can. That's all you can do.

109/6439 =1.69%

Why would you use new ongoing cases to find a mortality rate? SOME of those people are GOING TO DIE.

Yes, its currently artificially high because it first hit a nursing home in Washington but so far outside of China the case mortality rate has been higher than expected.