***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[wazu]

Originally Posted by petegz28

There is absolutely no way in hell you are going to test almost 350 million people in any timely fashion. None. Period.

How about the people who visit their doctor with symptoms? Could we at least test all of them?

[Hammock Parties]

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by wazu

How about the people who visit their doctor with symptoms? Could we at least test all of them?

We are. Why do you think the number of cases are going up?

What we aren't doing right now is just testing people just to test them. That's a fine line to walk at the moment but one we have to do.

I can tell you now, I work for a health system, I have been on more calls this week to discuss patient, nurse and doctor safety. There are only so many resources to go around. You can't risk the medical professionals getting infected.

When people try going into a doctor's office or ER to get tested even if they aren't showing symptoms they are putting everyone else and including themselves in jeopardy.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Overall look at the number of ICU beds:

https://khn.org/news/as-coronavirus-...h-no-icu-beds/

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by petegz28

We are. Why do you think the number of cases are going up?

This is completely and utterly FALSE.

Stop spreading FALSITIES.

[petegz28]

New York has now become the host spot. WA state looks like it might start flattening a bit. They are only reporting 2 new cases today.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

This is completely and utterly FALSE.

Stop spreading FALSITIES.

Yeah, just because Dane says so.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

.. what sense does it make to bailout small businesses like independent movie theaters or concert venues if tight capacity limits and social distancing are going to be in place for the foreseeable future?

This shit is going ot be over in a couple weeks.

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Overall look at the number of ICU beds:

https://khn.org/news/as-coronavirus-...h-no-icu-beds/

Central Virginia needs to move into the 18th century.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Off-label means it's not an FDA-approved indication. Almost every medication you can think of has off-label uses. Scope of practice involves the area of specialty. As a PharmD, I do not have to approve, and in many cases should reject, a medication order or Rx from a provider practicing outside of their scope.

[neech]

Originally Posted by KCUnited

What does a stay in place mean for the financial industry, like say closing on a home? Any idea?

Tribune says Pritzker is going to order it for IL tomorrow and I'm scheduled to close on 3/30.

Yeah I heard your state is about to shutdown.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by petegz28

I can tell you now, I work for a health system, I have been on more calls this week to discuss patient, nurse and doctor safety. There are only so many resources to go around. You can't risk the medical professionals getting infected.

When people try going into a doctor's office or ER to get tested even if they aren't showing symptoms they are putting everyone else and including themselves in jeopardy.

You are completely full of SHIT.

ER's are NOT testing people UNLESS they are showing ADVANCED Symptoms.

Doctor's offices ARE NOT testing people that are showing signs of the symptoms because those same symptoms are synonymous with Influzena or even severe rhinovirus in its early stages.

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

This shit is going ot be over in a couple weeks.

No it won't.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

.. what sense does it make to bailout small businesses like independent movie theaters or concert venues if tight capacity limits and social distancing are going to be in place for the foreseeable future?

The effort is to keep people employed. If people can return to work instead of looking for a new job it will be a tremendous relief on the economy when things start to loosen up.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Yeah, just because Dane says so.

One of my best friends is an ER doctor of 20 years that runs an ER at UCLA and at a hospital 10 minutes from my home.

I'll take that person's word over yours, pete.

STOP POSTING FALSE INFORMATION.