***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

Click here for the original OP:

Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by SupDock

There's no penalty?

Long as it's below $950 you can get away with it.

Cops aren't coming.

[KChiefs1]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

Philly and now San Francisco.

This is San Francisco during a mandatory quarantine

This is California under regressive Democrat policies

Leftists want this way of life for all of America

RT to spread the truth!

pic.twitter.com/mE5NgRO7dv

— Rogan O’Handley ���� (@DC_Draino) March 19, 2020

Why didn’t somebody kick their asses?

Pussies

[bobbything]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

feck

Reported US coronavirus cases in March via @CNN:

3/1: 89
3/2: 105
3/3: 125
3/4: 159
3/5: 227
3/6: 331
3/7: 444
3/8: 564
3/9: 728
3/10: 1,000
3/11: 1,267
3/12: 1,645
3/13: 2,204
3/14: 2,826
3/15: 3,505
3/16: 4,466
3/17: 6,135
3/18: 8,760
3/19: 13,229
Now: 18,182

— Ryan Struyk (@ryanstruyk) March 21, 2020

Increases in testing was bound to highlight this. It’s either we don’t test and tell everyone we have 23 cases, or we test and get an accurate number.

These numbers shouldn’t shock anyone, really.

By this time next week we will likely be north if 60k. The revelation of those numbers is good thing though. It gives us a better idea of who has it and how to squash it.

[SupDock]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

Long as it's below $950 you can get away with it.

Cops aren't coming.

What does this have to do with the thread? I am confused. That CA law is not new

They downgraded theft under 950 to a misdemeanor to reduce jail crowding. Police not responding is a different problem.

[Fat Elvis]

Originally Posted by bobbything

Increases in testing was bound to highlight this. It’s either we don’t test and tell everyone we have 23 cases, or we test and get an accurate number.

These numbers shouldn’t shock anyone, really.

By this time next week we will likely be north if 60k. The revelation of those numbers is good thing though. It gives us a better idea of who has it and how to squash it.

A) Those numbers don't match what is coming out of John Hopkins
B) If the rate of increase holds steady (+~38% today from John Hopkins stats), we'll hit 60K by Tuesday
C) Those numbers are only for those tested, actual numbers will be much higher (but much lower severity, on average)

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by SupDock

What does this have to do with the thread? I am confused. That CA law is not new

The cops aren't coming out for anything under $950 because of COVID-19.

[Fat Elvis]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

The cops aren't coming out for anything under $950 because of COVID-19.

Wrong. They weren't coming before. Take this shit to DC.

[SupDock]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

The cops aren't coming out for anything under $950 because of COVID-19.

People have been complaining about Prop 47 and police response since the law passed. I am done derailing the thread though, so whatever

[PAChiefsGuy]

Hospitals in NY already getting overcrowded.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/coronav...ed-11584719908

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by SupDock

People have been complaining about Prop 47 and police response since the law passed. I am done derailing the thread though, so whatever

He thrives on fringe cases that seem dire.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Fat Elvis

Wrong. They weren't coming before. Take this shit to DC.

No, it's true.

Due to the coronavirus crisis, Philadelphia police will no longer be making arrests for all narcotics offenses, theft from persons, retail theft, theft from auto, burglary, vandalism, bench warrants, stolen autos, economic crimes such as passing bad checks, fraud, & prostitution. pic.twitter.com/R2OZSPMKHO

— Rob O'Donnell (@odonnell_r) March 17, 2020

[bobbything]

Originally Posted by Fat Elvis

A) Those numbers don't match what is coming out of John Hopkins
B) If the rate of increase holds steady (+~38% today from John Hopkins stats), we'll hit 60K by Tuesday
C) Those numbers are only for those tested, actual numbers will be much higher (but much lower severity, on average)

Yep...exactly what I have been saying. Actual infections vs confirmed infections are very far apart. My point is that these numbers are used (or interpreted) as scare tactics and come across as “new” cases when in reality they’re just confirming what we already know.

[Chief Pagan]

Originally Posted by AustinChief

Let me give you a completely made up but plausible scenario. Let's say that the people between 0 and 54 ignore all the advice and put themselves at much higher risk. This activity results in 50x (all made up figures here, just to prove a point) as many cases in that particular age group. So in a certain geographical area you have 1000 people who are 54+ infected and 50,000 people <54 infected. 124 people from the 54+ group end up hospitalized. 76 people from the <54 group end up hospitalized.

OMG !!!! 38%are under 54!!!! Yes. and they represent .152% of the people infected from their age group.

If 76 people from the <54 group end up hospitalized they are taking up 76 hospital beds and some number of ventilators and nursing and other staff time.

In normal times maybe that would only be an issue for their finances and their insurance company.

If we get to the point where Italy is now, of having to decide who gets black arm bands and are left to die, then I agree it time for us to say:

OMG!!!

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

No, it's true.

Due to the coronavirus crisis, Philadelphia police will no longer be making arrests for all narcotics offenses, theft from persons, retail theft, theft from auto, burglary, vandalism, bench warrants, stolen autos, economic crimes such as passing bad checks, fraud, & prostitution. pic.twitter.com/R2OZSPMKHO

— Rob O'Donnell (@odonnell_r) March 17, 2020

That can’t be real.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by BossChief

That can’t be real.

The videos of looting from Philly and San Francisco are certainly real.

As is this.

https://www.documentcloud.org/docume...tlaw-Memo.html

And this.

Among the outlets that have reported on the city’s new protocols is the Philadelphia Inquirer, which published the internal memo listing the now arrest-free non-violent crimes. “One day after Philadelphia courts closed until April 1 to limit the spread of the coronavirus, Police Commissioner Danielle Outlaw notified commanders Tuesday that police will be delaying arrests for nonviolent crimes, including drug offenses, theft, and prostitution,” the Inquirer reported.