***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[BWillie]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

Kansas City is under house arrest now...

Kansas City metro under stay-at-home order effective Tuesday as coronavirus spreads

Read more here: https://www.kansascity.com/news/coro...#storylink=cpy

That's unfortunate. I was hoping to go golfing. Golfing is social distancing. You can do it on your own even. Nobody that works at a golf course or plays golf at the golf course ever has to get within 6 feet of each other.

[Discuss Thrower]

30 days and then another 30 days and then another 30 days and then..

[notorious]

Originally Posted by BWillie

That's unfortunate. I was hoping to go golfing. Golfing is social distancing. You can do it on your own even. Nobody that works at a golf course or plays golf at the golf course ever has to get within 6 feet of each other.

We did Wednesday at our local course. They took the flags, other than that it was good to go.

[BWillie]

Originally Posted by petegz28

admittedly it was a typo, it is .4%

56 total deaths / 11,645 cases

We cannot use active cases to discern anything about the mortality rate one way or another. Only recovered vs fatalities. It's also true those numbers may not include people who can't get tested right now.

What we need to do is test as many as we can, even asymptomatic and those who have mild symptoms. An easier way to do this may be to test a small city 10,000 or so near a hotspot like NYC and a spot in a more moderately infected area to get an idea of the population. Test every single person in that said city and we could get this shit figured out.

[SupDock]

Originally Posted by BWillie

We cannot use active cases to discern anything about the mortality rate one way or another. Only recovered vs fatalities. It's also true those numbers may not include people who can't get tested right now.

What we need to do is test as many as we can, even asymptomatic and those who have mild symptoms. An easier way to do this may be to test a small city 10,000 or so near a hotspot like NYC and a spot in a more moderately infected area to get an idea of the population. Test every single person in that said city and we could get this shit figured out.

Sure, but we can't do that.

We don't have tests, healthcare workers don't have adequate PPE

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by BWillie

We cannot use active cases to discern anything about the mortality rate one way or another. Only recovered vs fatalities. It's also true those numbers may not include people who can't get tested right now.

What we need to do is test as many as we can, even asymptomatic and those who have mild symptoms. An easier way to do this may be to test a small city 10,000 or so near a hotspot like NYC and a spot in a more moderately infected area to get an idea of the population. Test every single person in that said city and we could get this shit figured out.

Whatever you say....

[RedRaider56]

Originally Posted by displacedinMN

Same dumb ****s that eat out of an ice cream container and puts in back into the grocery freezer. Same dumb ****s that don't know they should not be at the beach.

same dumb asses that are drinking beer from other kid's butt cracks on spring break.

[displacedinMN]

Originally Posted by RedRaider56

same dumb asses that are drinking beer from other kid's butt cracks on spring break.

Is that a thing???? Gross.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by displacedinMN

Is that a thing???? Gross.

Had an ER friend say some people were stealing catheters and filling each other bladders with wine then drinking straight from the bottle . Lot of weird stuff out there.

[George Liquor]

Originally Posted by BWillie

That's unfortunate. I was hoping to go golfing. Golfing is social distancing. You can do it on your own even. Nobody that works at a golf course or plays golf at the golf course ever has to get within 6 feet of each other.

Just go by yourself, nobody will be there. Used to play that shitty 9 hole alvamar course for free all the time in the winter back in the day.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by RINGLEADER

This is true.

The other 20% and a finite supply of doctors/ventilators is the problem.

If NYC gets its doubling down to once every 4 days then they’ll need 3,000 ventilators from somewhere to save around 2500 people. If it doubles every other day, the way the US numbers are currently going, then they could end up needing to find 15,000 more ventilators.

Just in NYC.

we only have 12k ventilators in reserve. Do the math.

We could possibly enter Italy territory within a week or two. Doctors are going to be deciding who does and who doesn’t get a ventilator. Who lives and who dies. The richest country that has ever existed since humanity exited the caves. Hopefully this social distancing will bend the curve sooner rather than later. I’m hopeful it’s going to make a difference. We just need a break or two to go our way.

[TLO]

Maybe I'm misinformed but these "shelter in place" or "stay home" orders just seem like more strongly worded declarations of what people were already supposed to be doing?

[AustinChief]

Originally Posted by BWillie

We cannot use active cases to discern anything about the mortality rate one way or another. Only recovered vs fatalities. It's also true those numbers may not include people who can't get tested right now.

What we need to do is test as many as we can, even asymptomatic and those who have mild symptoms. An easier way to do this may be to test a small city 10,000 or so near a hotspot like NYC and a spot in a more moderately infected area to get an idea of the population. Test every single person in that said city and we could get this shit figured out.

That would be great but most (not me actually) would consider this a luxury. It is most likely that we won't have anything close to accurate figures for over a year on this.

People need to realize that we have absolutely ZERO clue at this time how many people are infected and how many have already recovered. The most likely scenario is that we have 5-10x as many infected(or previously infected and already recovered) as the numbers currently show.

[phisherman]

Originally Posted by TLO

Maybe I'm misinformed but these "shelter in place" or "stay home" orders just seem like more strongly worded declarations of what people were already supposed to be doing?

Pretty much. Just stay home, people. It's not that hard.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

we only have 12k ventilators in reserve. Do the math.

We could enter Italy territory within a week or two. Doctors are going to be deciding who does and who doesn’t get a ventilator. Who lives and who dies. The richest country that has ever existed since humanity exited the caves. Hopefully this social distancing will bend the curve sooner than later.

I haven't heard a lot about the "days behind Italy" talk much in the past few days.

Also - isn't the military giving us a bunch of ventilators to use?