***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[007]

Originally Posted by Chief Pagan

Funerals are a hard choice. But you don't really want a funeral to lead to more funerals.



Many if not most of the mourners I've ever seen at funerals would be in the high risk category.



If I was forced to make the choice I suppose I would consider cremation and then having a service whenever it becomes reasonably safe.



Not ideal but again bleak choices.

Catholics don't have that option

[stumppy]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

You'd be wrong. Pharmacies can't get it from any supplier right now.

Hey, I wanted to thank you for all the information you have provided in this thread. It's nice to know we have someone in hear who know WTF they're talking about.

[007]

So my bidet was supposedly out for delivery yesterday. Now it's not getting shipped until Friday. JFC

[eDave]

Originally Posted by 007

So my bidet was supposedly out for delivery yesterday. Now it's not getting shipped until Friday. JFC

White people problems.

[007]

Originally Posted by eDave

White people problems.

Sure. That's what it is. Move along Dave.

[Spott]

Originally Posted by eDave

White people problems.

Wipe people problems.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by 007

Catholics don't have that option

We don’t? Oops sorry mom.

[007]

Originally Posted by Monticore

We don’t? Oops sorry mom.

Oh you can. But you're not supposed to. I'd certainly prefer it.

[crayzkirk]

The media really needs to quit inciting fear in people. Our brains work to deal with and protect us from dangers. When the danger isn't well defined, can't be predicted as to where it comes from and there is no action to take, this causes us to lose the ability to be thinking animals and we become emotional animals.

Measles, chicken pox, mumps, etc. I've had them all, got the bad flu in 2009 and got diaphragm nerve damage on my left side effectively leaving me with very reduced lung function. Viral infections can do lots of damage.

Am I scared? Hell yes. I am also sick of our media being doom and gloom 24/7. It isn't helping us cope. They are all saying trust us, we know what is best, yet do nothing except promote additional fear. People who think and are rational are hard to control while those who are reacting emotionally are very easy to manipulate.

What's the solution? I don't know however reinforcing the fear we are all feeling and giving us no control over our situation simply makes things much worse.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by 007

Oh you can. But you're not supposed to. I'd certainly prefer it.

I want to get stuffed and displayed in our living room , I might’ve alone on this though .

[wazu]

Noticing that our "serious/critical" number has jumped way up today. 708 right now.

[SupDock]

Originally Posted by LiveSteam

Am I supposed to make heads or tales of that?
Is it a good or bad thing?

Study was poorly designed with questionable results.

It wasn't double blinded, wasn't randomized, didn't include all patients in data, and a few other things.

[SupDock]

Originally Posted by crayzkirk

The media really needs to quit inciting fear in people. Our brains work to deal with and protect us from dangers. When the danger isn't well defined, can't be predicted as to where it comes from and there is no action to take, this causes us to lose the ability to be thinking animals and we become emotional animals.

Measles, chicken pox, mumps, etc. I've had them all, got the bad flu in 2009 and got diaphragm nerve damage on my left side effectively leaving me with very reduced lung function. Viral infections can do lots of damage.

Am I scared? Hell yes. I am also sick of our media being doom and gloom 24/7. It isn't helping us cope. They are all saying trust us, we know what is best, yet do nothing except promote additional fear. People who think and are rational are hard to control while those who are reacting emotionally are very easy to manipulate.

What's the solution? I don't know however reinforcing the fear we are all feeling and giving us no control over our situation simply makes things much worse.

I'm not really sure what you are suggesting,
People are free to turn off the news

[SupDock]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

You'd be wrong. Pharmacies can't get it from any supplier right now.

What are your thoughts on plaquenil and azithromycin combined?

In the hospital I am not too concerned because you can just watch their QT interval.

6 or 7 days isn't very long, but just wanted your opinion on risk in the outpatient setting. Especially if we are targeting therapy at our higher risk, elderly Covid patients.

[Marcellus]

If the death rate doubles every 4 days for the next 2 weeks we will be at roughy 15% of what happened with H1N1.