***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Thanks, Brother! I've gone out three times in the past 10 days and really outside of TP and more hamburger, we should be good for the better part of a month.

I'll follow that up with saying that we do have about 8 pounds of ground turkey, 6 pound of bacon and 4+ pounds of chicken breasts, although I was out at 5 different stores yesterday and forgot to get egg whites for myself.

I've been so caught up in finding items for my children and wife that I've totally forgotten about myself, so I'll need to go out again late this week.

Glad to hear that my man, being in the heart of LA like you has gotta be challenging... keep us updated on how its going

[BigRedChief]

I'm not advocating uncontrolled panicking. If you panic for more than a couple of hours, you will exhaust yourself and
you may well not have to energy to panic later, when you really feel you have to

So try about 20 minutes panicking at 11.00 am, and then another spell at 6.00pm

— John Cleese (@JohnCleese) March 22, 2020

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by ShowtimeSBMVP

Philadelphia said they wouldn’t be locking anyone up and now this.

Now-deleted video uploaded on Instagram this week by user “jaydothemost” purports to show a group of youths in Philadelphia sucker-punching and robbing an individual who appears to be of East Asian descent. Contact @PhillyPolice if you have information. pic.twitter.com/uqo1WC1XIH

— Andy Ngo (@MrAndyNgo) March 21, 2020

FEARMONGERING!

[AustinChief]

Originally Posted by RINGLEADER

Whatever the infected rate is * 20% will require a hospital bed.

This math is off by a factor of 10 (at least). Those figures were based on limited testing where only the most severe cases where getting tested (for the most part). As testing expands that rate is dropping at a rapid pace. 20% may be accurate for people 65+ but it is not even close for the general pop.

[Hammock Parties]

ya'll should find the time to disconnect from this bullshit

i watched the baywatch movie last night and it put me in a very good mood

[BWillie]

Originally Posted by wazu

Noticing that our "serious/critical" number has jumped way up today. 708 right now.

Yuuuuup. Incubation period + the time it takes to be hospitalized + then possible death. There is a lag time to all of this.

This hasn't been here since November or last year like many claim. We can see that clearly now, because our ICUs and ER's would have been run down and strained.

Any social distancing measures haven't really even been seen in the numbers yet. Our measures will only be seen in the number of critical and deaths weeks from now.

[RINGLEADER]

Originally Posted by AustinChief

This math is off by a factor of 10 (at least). Those figures were based on limited testing where only the most severe cases where getting tested (for the most part). As testing expands that rate is dropping at a rapid pace. 20% may be accurate for people 65+ but it is not even close for the general pop.

Source?

Happy (and actually want) to be wrong.

On edit: I do agree that none of these reported figures take the population of asymptomatic people into account so I guess that caveat of “tested confirmed cases” should apply.

But even in those places with higher levels of testing are seeing these numbers from all the data I’ve seen.

[suzzer99]

Originally Posted by penguinz

I would hate being there during healthy times. Was there last June on vacation and it is waaaay too crowded.

It's not bad where I'm at in Redondo Beach - pretty laid back, always parking, etc. I wouldn't want to live in Venice or some of the more crowded places though. I lived in SF for 5 years, that was enough. I like being able to drive to 7-11 and back w/o having to worry about losing my parking place.

[AustinChief]

For those wondering... Italy averages around 20k deaths from the flu per year. (feel free to check my figure here, I am pretty sure this is close)

[suzzer99]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

FEARMONGERING!

Andy Ngo is a POS propagandist provocateur (alliteration!). He's been caught red-handed deliberately posting misleading videos and making flat out lies numerous times. That shit should stay in DC imo.

[AustinChief]

Originally Posted by RINGLEADER

Source?

Happy (and actually want) to be wrong.

On edit: I do agree that none of these reported figures take the population of asymptomatic people into account so I guess that caveat of “tested confirmed cases” should apply.

But even in those places with higher levels of testing are seeing these numbers from all the data I’ve seen.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

Shows us at 2%.

I'm not sure I trust these numbers completely but that is far more likely compared to 20%

Btw it's not just asymptomatic people that skew the numbers from what you are seeing, their are a number of people who have had the virus with mild symptoms and cleared it and will never go reported. We have no idea what that number is unfortunately, but it could be a very substantial portion of the population given how long the virus has been in the US and how quickly it spreads.

[BigCatDaddy]

Meanwhile south of the border.

https://time.com/5807102/mexico-coro...hbgIkMjO5Vep6o

[Rukdafaidas]

State graphs of last date each state can act before "point of no return". https://covidactnow.org/state/MO?fbc...4vgDkOoljohtNQ

[O.city]

https://twitter.com/palafo/status/12...527876097?s=21

[ChiefEd]

New York new cases just dropped back to 5K on Worldometers site. Error?