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Old 03-11-2005, 10:54 AM  
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My umpteenth question to the planeteers
As almost every conversation I have with "you know who", he always disagrees with me on almost every topic we try to discuss.

This morning while watching MSNBC, there was a story of someone going into a courtroom, stealing the baliffs gun and shot and killed the judge and injured one other person.

I told "him" if someone kills someone inside a courthouse its an automatic death sentence, no life in prison.

He said "oh where did you hear this from?"and looked at me with that "you don't know what your talking about look of his"

Someone who knows about the law such as Baby Lee or Go Bo or roy, could you tell me if I'm right?
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Old 03-11-2005, 06:21 PM   #136
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Jeez.

Stick your 1st grade teacher wisdom up your ass.

Badgirl asked a question, it was a stupid question IMO but everyone does that on this board at sometime or another. People didn't start the pile on because the question was stupid they started to pile on because the question was answered many times by many people. Yet she kept proclaiming to not know the answer. How many different times was the answer given to her but she just sits around trying to read through different websites that also make the answer obvious yet she still does not get it. She is still trying to provide proof to one of her "points" and neighter of them hold any water...

Yet, you sweep down on this thread and proclaim someone else is thick?





I did read the thread......I do not agree with someone being called stupid over and over just because opinions differ. What makes the one calling someone stupid any smarter then the one being called stupid. Nothing...... Now run along and finish your homework......
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Old 03-11-2005, 06:22 PM   #137
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What makes the one calling someone stupid any smarter then the one being called stupid. Nothing
Well if it makes you feel better I can start calling you stupid.
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Old 03-11-2005, 06:31 PM   #138
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Now, Zachary! Remember, there are no stupid questions, only stupid people.
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Old 03-11-2005, 06:32 PM   #139
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What makes the one calling someone stupid any smarter then the one being called stupid.
Greater intelligence?
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Old 03-11-2005, 06:33 PM   #140
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Old 03-11-2005, 06:47 PM   #141
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I did read the thread......I do not agree with someone being called stupid over and over just because opinions differ. What makes the one calling someone stupid any smarter then the one being called stupid. Nothing...... Now run along and finish your homework......
but it wasn't an opinion...
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Old 03-11-2005, 06:58 PM   #142
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I did read the thread......I do not agree with someone being called stupid over and over just because opinions differ. What makes the one calling someone stupid any smarter then the one being called stupid. Nothing...... Now run along and finish your homework......
It is not an opinion

LET ME TPYE IN CAPS BECAUSE I THINK IT WORKS FOR BADGIRL ALSO.

BADGIRL WAS ASKING AN OBJECTIVE QUESTION THAT COULD BE ANSWERED WITH A FACT. AN OPINION WHICH IS SUBJECTIVE WAS NOT GIVEN.

BADGIRL WAS PRESENTED WITH A FACT IN RESPONSE TO HER QUESTION AND STILL COULD NOT COMPREHEND THAT HER QUESTION WAS BEING ANSWERED.
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Old 03-11-2005, 07:15 PM   #144
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It is not an opinion

LET ME TPYE IN CAPS BECAUSE I THINK IT WORKS FOR BADGIRL ALSO.

BADGIRL WAS ASKING AN OBJECTIVE QUESTION THAT COULD BE ANSWERED WITH A FACT. AN OPINION WHICH IS SUBJECTIVE WAS NOT GIVEN.

BADGIRL WAS PRESENTED WITH A FACT IN RESPONSE TO HER QUESTION AND STILL COULD NOT COMPREHEND THAT HER QUESTION WAS BEING ANSWERED.
SHUT UP TROLL
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You could get the death penalty for just Attempting, authorizing or advising the killing of any officer, juror or witness in cases involving a continuing criminal enterprise, regardless of wether such killing actually occurs.
i believe that the federal statute you're referring to pertains to federal judges and law enforcement officers and the like...

as i understand it, the atlanta case was in state court and the people killed were not federal officers, so the escape and murders won't be a federal case...

but i haven't read the statute lately, so i could be wrong...
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Did we ever get this settled?
I can give you an answer, but it's not a short one.

1. Furman v Georgia struck down all statutes that 'mandated' capital punishment. That is, the government cannot seek the death penalty just for the particular crime. The government must seek the death penalty based upon a variety of criteria that justify capital punishment in that particular case - defendant's particularly bad record; case involved torture, sexual assault or other gratuitous violence;* case involved more than 1 victim or a vulnerable victim; case involved a law enforcement officer, prosecutor, judge or politician; whatever. Gregg v Georgia allowed capital punishment if the decision to seek death complied with several factors, not least of which was a focus upon that particular case, not the offense in general.

2. There are numerous capital sentencing laws in this country. The federal government has one as do about 30 states. (I don't have the exact number.) The criteria to justify the government seeking death varies between the different jurisdictions.

3. Just because the government seeks the death penalty does not mean that the government will get the death penalty. Capital cases have 2 phases: guilt and sentencing. Guilt means, "Did the defendant commit the crime as accused?" Sentencing means, "Does he deserve the death penalty?" At sentencing parties are free to introduce lots of evidence to suggest why that particular person does or not deserve the death penalty. And Supreme Court cases make it clear that each juror can vote based upon his or her own moral conscience. That is, there is NOTHING in the law that requires a vote for death. Someone can vote for life just to vote for life.

4. So what happens if jury convicts and then is split on punishment? Depends upon the jurisdiction. In federal court and some states (like Colorado), a hang at sentencing means that life without parole is automatic and cannot be appealed. Other states, such as Arizona and California, allow re-trying the sentencing phase.

So the tl;dr answer to the original question is, "No, just because you kill someone in a court house does not mean that you automatically get the death penalty."

* to someone who doesn't do this work, that phrase will sound odd. "Murders involve gratuitous violence, don't they?" Well, no. Legally there's a difference between shooting somebody between the eyes and typing them up and torturing them or raping them and then killing them, or other violence beyond that strictly necessary to kill someone or inflicted just for the twisted enjoyment of inflicting pain.
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