***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[loochy]

Originally Posted by Bob Dole

They've been on a "no front tag" kick the last few months. Have to generate that revenue, no matter the risk of exposure.

Crap.


I have no front tag (and haven't for years). I guess I should buy one of those holders that screws into my tow hook hole.

[MIAdragon]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

New Yorkers fleeing their state’s house arrest measures and heading to Florida.

Shocking.

Idiots, we don’t want you here.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by Donger

It's no longer accurate to say that we have no wide spread testing.

if others get define terms in here, I’ll define what what is “accurate” about wide spread testing.

How about in a country that has 330 million people, that we test at least 1% of them to declare wide spread testing has been done?

[Donger]

Starting to stink of DC in here again...

[BleedingRed]

https://nypost.com/2020/03/22/florid...aved-his-life/

hydroxychloroquine Lets go dude just use the ****ing shit

[Bob Dole]

Originally Posted by loochy

Crap.


I have no front tag (and haven't for years). I guess I should buy one of those holders that screws into my tow hook hole.

I haven't had one for 25 years and got pulled over twice between July and September. It's zip tied to my front bumper now because there was no bracket.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

reasonable people look at this like it i hysteria, but the cat is out of the bag.

He doesn't need to put it in every post he makes, I don't say people using words like hysteria are ignorant in every post I make, well maybe just this one.

everyone one has a different opinion on what is reasonable or not. so using these terms are probably better left in DC.

[Fat Elvis]

Originally Posted by RINGLEADER

They’ve ticked up to just slightly more than yesterday.

But both the current CA and NY numbers are amazingly good news if they stay that way the rest of the day. Almost know day over day increase. As I posted before, if NY can stay under 5800 today (and tomorrow at this rate) then they will have slowed it from doubling every two days to doubling every week and at that rate they should have enough ventilators and beds to fight it.

The next area of need must be PPE/supplies but if we’re looking for a silver lining this is pure gold.

I will leave this here; it is from someone in local government in NY that just posted it in a private Facebook group I belong to about 15 minutes ago:

Well, the "good news" (I am doing my Professor Farnsworth voice) is we only had 34 new cases today (noon to noon) in our region (4 counties of the Capital District, Albany and environs). The bad news is this is because they stopped testing three days ago because they're out of tests -- presumably being held downstate in NYC which is in an emergency right now -- and these are just the cases that finally came back at the end of their stack. It's bad. I calculated before the testing ground to a trickle that we'd be hitting 1% infection rate within the week.

Locally I've got four in-real-life friends with a positive diagnosis, and there's another six or seven family members who are symptomatic and haven't been tested. There's a sort of shelter-in-place request by medical providers to not come in unless symptoms worsen, since there's nothing to be done for mild cases and you can't flood the zone right now without stressing out healthcare for everybody else. Everybody I know is pretty damn cooperative right now, and fortunately nobody's gravely ill just yet, although a couple are somewhat distressingly MIA from reporting in the last day.

Statewide we're doubling every two days. No sign of an inflection point at all; it's been steady exponential growth and we should be hitting 100,000 statewide in 3 or 4 days depending on how craptaculous the testing situation is. The growth rate is the same inside the NYC metro area and outside -- again, tested cases. I have no idea how other regions of the state are doing testing wise but there are now cases in *every* single county in New York and new ones reported overnight in all but five (and those are all small rural counties). There's no containment -- there's no place to contain it except by statewide shutdown, which may have come two weeks too late given the apparent incubation period.

There's three dozen positives at Riker's Island, one of the worst holes in the country (cue Dostoevsky) for a plain old municipal jail and a place that should have been burned to the ground fifty years ago and replaced by smaller, specialized jails closer to neighborhoods. A friend of a friend in corrections relays they're doing NO testing in the upstate state prisons as yet, it's clearly taken root, and the prison populations are getting restive (there's cell phones on the inside everywhere, they know what's going on) and the guards are backing off.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by MIAdragon

Idiots, we don’t want you here.

all the airline flights from NY to Florida are full. Usually the snowbirds are flying back home to their homes in the north.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

if others get define terms in here, I’ll define what what is “accurate” about wide spread testing.

How about in a country that has 330 million people, that we test at least 1% of them to declare wide spread testing has been done?

Okay. We are now actively testing in all states. Thousands a day and rapidly increasing. Almost double what the UK has done.

And yes, I know our population and that we got a late start.

[BleedingRed]

Our experience suggests that hydroxychloroquine should be a first-line treatment for Covid-19. We can use it to save lives and prevent others from becoming infected, write @DrJeffColyer and Daniel Hinthorn https://t.co/U1XU9bxF6J via @WSJ

— Kimberley Strassel (@KimStrassel) March 23, 2020

[Fat Elvis]

Originally Posted by Donger

It's no longer accurate to say that we have no wide spread testing.

Going from *no* testing to *minimal* testing does not mean that there is widespread testing.

[BleedingRed]

Covid-19: India Recommends Hydroxychloroquine As Prophylaxis For Healthcare Providers, Patient Family Members https://t.co/FWwOzZcTn9

— Scott Adams (@ScottAdamsSays) March 23, 2020

[Fat Elvis]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

Our experience suggests that hydroxychloroquine should be a first-line treatment for Covid-19. We can use it to save lives and prevent others from becoming infected, write @DrJeffColyer and Daniel Hinthorn https://t.co/U1XU9bxF6J via @WSJ

— Kimberley Strassel (@KimStrassel) March 23, 2020

Let's hope it works.

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by Fat Elvis

Going from *no* testing to *minimal* testing does not mean that there is widespread testing.

By the end of the day we will have conducted more test than South Korea has to date... Move to a different point because this one is no longer valid