***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Discuss Thrower]

KCPD Chief Rick Smith - enforcement of the stay at home order isn't KCPD's job. Officers will not be stopping people, and ask for papers.

— Kevin Holmes (@kholmesKSHB) March 23, 2020

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by wazu

Honestly, if it's 4 total weeks, and they draw that line and then say it'll be enough, then I could get on board. I think most could.

Originally Posted by oaklandhater

This italy is already showing signs of recovery.

I'm down with a 4-6 week shutdown then restarting things in waves.

The whole point of the social distancing was to bend the curve so our health care system doesn’t get swamped and people die because hospitals are full, we don’t have enough ventilators etc.

We haven’t even got to that stress point yet. No one thinks the worst is over.

[oaklandhater]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

The whole point of the social distancing was to bend the curve so our health care system doesn’t get swamped and people die because hospitals are full, we don’t have enough ventilators etc.

We haven’t even got to that stress point yet. No one thinks the worst is over.

Agreed I want to see the gov sell us on lifting lockdowns in a few weeks.


cause in a few weeks NYC will be so far down shits creek it will make Italy and Iran look like Disneyland.

[wazu]

Originally Posted by oaklandhater

Agreed I want to see the gov sell us on lifting lockdowns in a few weeks.


cause in a few weeks NYC will be so far down shits creek it will make Italy and Iran look like Disneyland.

:rolleyes

[oaklandhater]

Originally Posted by wazu

:rolleyes

have you seen the numbers coming out of NY ?

[Donger]

Originally Posted by oaklandhater

cause in a few weeks NYC will be so far down shits creek it will make Italy and Iran look like Disneyland.

I don't agree. I think that NY could see 50,000 to 75,000 cases, and no where near the deaths.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

KCPD Chief Rick Smith - enforcement of the stay at home order isn't KCPD's job. Officers will not be stopping people, and ask for papers.

— Kevin Holmes (@kholmesKSHB) March 23, 2020

glad to hear. We are a country that really cherishes our freedom of movement. We need to voluntarily do what’s in our own selfish and communities best interests. We have to choose. Even though there may be beaches full of spring breakers, it’s not worth it to our democracy to involve the police in enforcement.

**** cops stopping Americans asking to see their papers.

[tk13]

The economy isn't turning around until there's a feeling we're ahead of this thing. Doesn't matter if there's a shutdown or not. In fact it could be worse because it'll feel like it's everyone for themselves and people will really be hoarding stuff and still not going to restaurants because there's no confidence anyone who is sick is being isolated, etc.

Then you add in the workforce losses due to illness. This thing was always going to tank the economy. You can't just say oh we need a 2 week shutdown, or a 4 week shutdown. You have to see how it develops. But as long as it feels like things are going downhill it isn't going to be pretty.

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

glad to hear. We are a country that really cherishes our freedom of movement. We need to voluntarily do what’s in our own selfish and communities best interests. We have to choose. Even though there may be beaches full of spring breakers, it’s not worth it to our democracy to involve the police in enforcement.

**** cops stopping Americans asking to see their papers.

Do you want to contain the virus or not?

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Do you want to contain the virus or not?

If draconian measures is what it takes, then naaah i'm good.

[stumppy]

Originally Posted by tk13

The economy isn't turning around until there's a feeling we're ahead of this thing. Doesn't matter if there's a shutdown or not. In fact it could be worse because it'll feel like it's everyone for themselves and people will really be hoarding stuff and still not going to restaurants because there's no confidence anyone who is sick is being isolated, etc.

Then you add in the workforce losses due to illness. This thing was always going to tank the economy. You can't just say oh we need a 2 week shutdown, or a 4 week shutdown. You have to see how it develops. But as long as it feels like things are going downhill it isn't going to be pretty.

Yea, people are going to need to see hard numbers before they try get their lives back to normal.

[Why Not?]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

glad to hear. We are a country that really cherishes our freedom of movement. We need to voluntarily do what’s in our own selfish and communities best interests. We have to choose. Even though there may be beaches full of spring breakers, it’s not worth it to our democracy to involve the police in enforcement.

**** cops stopping Americans asking to see their papers.

Agreed. My family and I don’t go anywhere except the grocery, the local park for exercise and I go to my essential services job. We social distance and I wish everyone did. But not at the expense of our most precious value. It sucks that people have and will continue to die from this. The total number of Americans who die from Covid-19 will not come close to touching the number of Americans who sacrificed to give us our freedom.

[Discuss Thrower]

Y'all gonna be tripping when the Chinese-style social credit system comes here in the next few years.

[Bowser]

Originally Posted by oaklandhater

Agreed I want to see the gov sell us on lifting lockdowns in a few weeks.


cause in a few weeks NYC will be so far down shits creek it will make Italy and Iran look like Disneyland.

You have no idea what everything will look like in a few weeks, so just stop.

[Bowser]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Y'all gonna be tripping when the Chinese-style social credit system comes here in the next few years.

Hard ****ing pass