***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by Donger

Sorry, but if you think that deaths per million is the really important number compared to the others....

If you don't get the significance.......

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Really? How else are you supposed to compare countries of different sizes? Which is exactly what he is doing.

Your opinions are not automatically facts.

You think that's more important than our deaths and new cases?

[FloridaMan88]

Originally Posted by loochy

If all of the gathering places and businesses are closed, then there's really not much to do out anyway. It takes care of itself without freaking people out.

Agreed, which is why the "shelter in place" measures and the curfews are unnecessary.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Monticore

While talking to the ER Dr yesterday sounds like some patients with COVID are presenting with unilateral pneumonia which is atypical of viral ones making hard to diagnose which one they are dealing with.

That's peculiar, because a few months ago case reports on COVID-19 showed that it was overwhelmingly bilateral pneumonia. Before tests were widely available, CT outperformed PCR, if I recall.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by Donger

You think that's more important than our deaths and new cases?

WHEN COMPARING TO OTHER COUNTRIES? YES.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Donger

You think that's more important than our deaths and new cases?

Deaths per million is a significant statistic. That's why they are tracking it. I don't see how can say it is not. That doesn't mean there aren't others just as significant or even more or less significant.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

If you don't get the significance.......

Of course I do. It's an interesting stat, but no more than that. For example, are you going to say to someone here who losses someone, "Well, that's too bad, but our deaths per million is much lower than other countries. That's the important number."?

[Spott]

Originally Posted by Mecca

What's really important is New York says you shouldn't do a rim job right now due to Corona spread.

Billay’s mom is going to disappointed when she hears this.

[BWillie]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Those numbers aren't even accurate, Chinas numbers are far far higher than that and frankly so are ours.

Think of it as a guide of the scale, with China's being significantly skewed & likely wrong.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

WHEN COMPARING TO OTHER COUNTRIES? YES.

That's fine. You didn't say that.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

When the Apocalypse hits, people with smokers are gonna last a LOT longer than those without.

I mentioned this yesterday but I exchanged four propane tanks yesterday from a company that normally services restaurants but since those have all closed, they've pivoted to residential deliveries.

For barely $1 dollar more than I could drive down and exchange myself, I had four tanks delivered to my home. And after picking up about 80 pounds of ground beef, tri-tip, red snapper, salmon, shrimp and chicken, I'm good for months.

[lewdog]

Mortality rate for USA currently?

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by Donger

That's fine. You didn't say that.

I take it that apparently you and others have 100% lost the ability to understand a response to a specific post that is in the context of the post being responded to.

I'm not going to dumb every post down to the point I need to break out the big chief tablet and fat pencil so you can make the connection. You are just going to need to try harder.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by lewdog

Mortality rate for USA currently?

Somewhere between 1% and 30% according to this thread.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

Agreed, which is why the "shelter in place" measures and the curfews are unnecessary.

WTF does a curfew have to do with anything? If you aren't supposed to be out you aren't supposed to be out.