***** Official 2020 NFL Free Agency Thread *****

[saphojunkie]

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[Mecca]

Originally Posted by staylor26

He can do just that. You clearly need to watch more tape if you think otherwise.

I've seen him.....he's not Murray or Queen or Willie Gay, I'll say that much.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

This for me too. No conversion/transition types that makes me think of Speaks.

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He’s not converting or transitioning. He’s played off the ball and it’s where he is most comfortable (straight out of the horses mouth). No matter how many times you say this, it’s not true.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by Mecca

I've seen him.....he's not Murray or Queen or Willie Gay, I'll say that much.

Yea he’s not Queen or Murray, but those two won’t make it to 32 because guys like that don’t.

I like Gay, but you overrate the shit out of him. Dude played 5 games last year and has barely even been a starter. The upside is certainly there, but he’s a guy that most people had as a day 3 prospect before the combine. Most people have him as a late day 2 pick at best still, and you talk about him like he’s a 1st rounder.

Besides, comparing Baun to those guys isn’t exactly fair. Baun’s best attributes are versatility and football IQ. He’s the LB version of Tyrann, hence why I think he’d be such a great fit with Spags.

[bowener]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

Holy shit Laremy Tunsil is wanting $20M AAV. He turned down $18.5M AAV.

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He has big brain Bobby O'Brien by the balls. I mean look at this trade for a 1 year rental (2 I guess, but everybody knew LT wanted to get paid):

The Dolphins shipped Tunsil, wide receiver Kenny Stills, a fourth-round pick in 2020 and a sixth-round pick in 2021 to Houston. In return, they will receive a pair of first-round picks — in 2020 and 2021 — a 2021 second-round pick, cornerback Johnson Bademosi and tackle Julien Davenport.

If the Texans can't manage to resign Tunsil BoB should be fired immediately. He should have been after trading away Hopkins, but there would be no defending the expense paid to get Tunsil if they can't get him on the field. Tunsil will hold out and the Texans will have to pay him $20m a year.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Yea he’s not Queen or Murray, but those two won’t make it to 32 because guys like that don’t.

I like Gay, but you overrate the shit out of him. Dude played 5 games last year and has barely even been a starter. The upside is certainly there, but he’s a guy that most people had as a day 3 prospect before the combine. Most people have him as a late day 2 pick at best still, and you talk about him like he’s a 1st rounder.

Besides, comparing Baun to those guys isn’t exactly fair. Baun’s best attributes are versatility and football IQ. He’s the LB version of Tyrann, hence why I think he’d be such a great fit with Spags.

Willie Gay would be a top 15 pick had he actually played, his red flags are what is causing him to drop. The only LB that would go higher is Simmons, he has more athletic gifts than the other guys and he's more complete.

He's faster than Murray, he's bigger and more physical than Queen.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Willie Gay would be a top 15 pick had he actually played, his red flags are what is causing him to drop. The only LB that would go higher is Simmons, he has more athletic gifts than the other guys and he's more complete.

He's faster than Murray, he's bigger and more physical than Queen.

Nothing is “causing him to drop”. His stock is up, not down. And it’s not that simple. His tape isn’t exactly flawless even when he was on the field. He’s a freak athlete with great size and he flashes on tape, but there are reasons beyond his suspension (which was just academic) that people still have him as a late 2nd or 3rd rounder at best.

[Mecca]

I actually think he has a chance to be the best LB from the class. I'll even explain that out.

I like Simmons a ton but he's not a pure LB, he's a freak that can play 4 positions and he needs a coach that understand what he is.

Patrick Queen is a similar prospect athletically to Derrick Johnson, he's mega athletic and has speed for days, yet he's very blah against the run because he's a bit light and doesn't like taking on blockers, literally has the same knock coming out. He's like a Deion Jones, if he can work on his tackling and get a little bigger he's gonna have a nice career. He also has 12 starts which concerns me a bit, but when you watch a dude drop into coverage and look like a CB that has a ton of value in todays game.

I think Murray is probably the most sure thing. He's smart, takes calculated risks, shows speed and is tough in the run game. I actually don't see much weakness here to be honest. Where I think Queen is probably only a Will, Murray I think can fit in anywhere. I see his very top end potential as Bobby Wagner.

Now when I see Gay, I see the sideline to sideline speed. He has more than Murray does, his speed is there, dude can fly. Another thing I really like about him is his ability to hit, where Queen is a blah tackler Gay lights guys up. He seems to have good cover instincts from what I saw, he's not as athletic as Simmons but total I'd put him 2nd in the class in that category. I see a lot of Jaylon Smith in his game film in the way he plays.

If you put a gun to my head and said you have to take 1 of these guys and he better be a good starter. I'd probably take Murray, extremely safe, at worst he's going to be a good starter. I think Willie Gay though is the guy who people may wonder how they missed that because his potential is much higher.

[staylor26]

I totally agree that Gay could be the best LB in this class when it’s all said and done. His upside is through the roof.

That doesn’t change anything else that I’ve said though.

[O.city]

So if Clowney ends up looking for just a one year prove it kinda deal....Sign Jones to a long term deal, cut Sammy and sign Clowney.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by staylor26

I totally agree that Gay could be the best LB in this class when it’s all said and done. His upside is through the roof.

That doesn’t change anything else that I’ve said though.

I'll be honest, I'm not a Baun guy, I don't really see him as a scheme fit, I could be wrong but that isn't the type of LB I like for the 4-3 in todays game.

[Dunerdr]

Dre Kirkpatrick got cut. Should we be interested?

[Fansy the Famous Bard]

Originally Posted by Dunerdr

Dre Kirkpatrick got cut. Should we be interested?

I would be, if it's on a flyer like we did with Breeland last year. He may be too expensive in the end, though.

[Dunerdr]

Originally Posted by Fansy the Famous Bard

I would be, if it's on a flyer like we did with Breeland last year. He may be too expensive in the end, though.

That wouldnt be bad.

[Dante84]

More competition in the open market, from Breeland's perspective.

He'd be wise to get a deal done sooner than later, or just wait until post draft / mid-camp if someone goes down out there around the league.

[srvy]

Originally Posted by Buckweath

I'll never understand the fascination for Bashaud Breeland around here. Clearly the most overrated Chiefs player on this board.

Serviceable player but I couldn't care less if he was not resigned.

I like him because he plays a physical corner a perfect compliment to the finesse style of Ward. Sorta like the days of Lewis and Ross.