***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[2112]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

I posted this in the DC thread but thought this is relevant here as well.



About Wuhan...yeah it is a real slow process there and we need to brace ourselves for this happening here until a vaccine or therapeutics are viable.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...3bc_story.html

I hate comparisons with China because I do not believe they are being honest about their numbers.

[ptlyon]

Originally Posted by notorious

Kansas shut down their state basketball tournament and school in the middle of the 2nd round, which would have been the first ****ing week of the month.


If we are comparing, which is childish as hell.

Yeah, we had the women's NAIA basketball tournament here. Game was being played, gov made the announcement, they stopped the game. It was limited attendance already though, no general public. They just walked off the court and everybody went home.

[Donger]

You guys look at the new daily cases over the last four days? It's encouraging.

[BigBeauford]

Mike Ferguson who fills in on KCMO talk radio was in the hospital for 8 or 9 days with it fighting for his life. There is no way hospitals can deal with an huge influx of people contracting this who spend even half that amount in the hospital. There simply isnt the room or resources to handle it. So I am really proud of how Kansas leadership has handled this

[Mr_Tomahawk]

Originally Posted by Donger

You guys look at the new daily cases over the last four days? It's encouraging.

Elaborate for us dummies.

[Chiefspants]

Originally Posted by D2112

I hate comparisons with China because I do not believe they are being honest about their numbers.

Yeah, if the reporting that they ordered 10,000 runs for Wuhan alone has any truth to it.. That report coupled with the thousands of people waiting outside Wuhan’s hospital was pretty sobering.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by D2112

I hate comparisons with China because I do not believe they are being honest about their numbers.

I agree but when it comes to how slowly their opening back up should give everyone here pause. It is not going to be a quick turn around here until we get a vaccine.

I imagine we may not have sports this year or if we do no crowds.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk

Elaborate for us dummies.

While there are still more new cases each day the last four days, the chart is showing signs of starting to go from concave to convex (if I got those right, it's been a long time). In other words, flattening. Hopefully someone better with math can correct or confirm.

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by wazu

I mean I’m not concerned with some kids playing basketball in a driveway.

In normal times no one would be, but with Covid-19 they are carriers that spread this stuff to the people that are much more susceptible to this virus. They do it without even knowing it most times. All people including kids should be staying away from each other.

[PAChiefsGuy]

S. Korea's Top Doctor Drops Facts About the Virus

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAk7...ature=youtu.be

-the widespread demand for 'social distancing' is because the virus is able to infect through the air (from spit droplets; aerosol), especially at gatherings of people close to one another like schools, parties, churches, etc.
-people spit out tiny droplets even during normal conversation. Some are so small they are not affected immediately by gravity and can suspend in the air and go further distances than otherwise.
-most vaccines take 10-15 years
-best case scenario for a vaccine is 18 months
-Highly recommends wearing a mask (almost all do in S. Korea)
-says US Surgeon General and World Health Organization told people masks aren't important to avoid hoarding because the medical professionals need them more

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by Sure-Oz

My buddy was running in nkc and saw parents letting kids play on the equipment. It wasn't sealed off. I really don't understand why people aren't getting how serious this is. Locally I've seen equipment sealed off with police tape.

Our city put up fences around the kids playground equipment in the parks but allow people into the wide open spaces of the parks.

Originally Posted by RedRaider56

Drove through a large subdivision, not far from my house the other day, and there must have been 20 kids playing basketball together. I'm thinking WTF? Do parents not have any idea of what shelter in place means or do they think their kids are immune to catching it

My wife is doing teaching online here for her elementary class. County got the students a tablet at home and Frontier/ATT is installing broadband for free in their homes. Working about as good here on this side of the bay as you could expect.

The issue over in Tampa is that the in too many homes still are not online because the family owes the cable companies money from the past when they didn't pay the money owed. Estimated 50% of kids in Tampa are not going to school because their family owes money to the cable companies.

Originally Posted by dirk digler

I posted this in the DC thread but thought this is relevant here as well.

About Wuhan...yeah it is a real slow process there and we need to brace ourselves for this happening here until a vaccine or therapeutics are viable.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...3bc_story.html

Originally Posted by D2112

I hate comparisons with China because I do not believe they are being honest about their numbers.

Yeah, you cant trust any numbers coming out of China or Russia.

[Mr_Tomahawk]

Originally Posted by Donger

While there are still more new cases each day the last four days, the chart is showing signs of starting to go from concave to convex (if I got those right, it's been a long time). In other words, flattening. Hopefully someone better with math can correct or confirm.

I feel like the media has been painting a more doom and gloom picture the last few days so this is refreshing to read. Thank you.

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk

Elaborate for us dummies.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

Scroll down about half way. You will see the graph named Daily New Cases. The graph shows that the new cases per day is slowing from the previous 10 days.

[Loneiguana]

Originally Posted by Donger

While there are still more new cases each day the last four days, the chart is showing signs of starting to go from concave to convex (if I got those right, it's been a long time). In other words, flattening. Hopefully someone better with math can correct or confirm.

The biggest sign will be when new deaths slow down.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

I agree but when it comes to how slowly their opening back up should give everyone here pause. It is not going to be a quick turn around here until we get a vaccine.

I imagine we may not have sports this year or if we do no crowds.

MLB has said they won't return with no crowds. At least that was the initial proposal agreed to between ownership and the MLBPA.

We'll see if they bend on that a little, but as it stands, MLB doesn't seem inclined to move forward if there are public health restrictions still in place.