***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Do you know how much my rent is a month sir?

I dunno, $1000?

You don't have $1000 in the bank?

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.



You don't save a little money every month, you might be up shit creek when the toilet flushes.

You still living in mom's basement?

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[Pushead2]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I'm sorry - I get putting people on blast for going to the park because it's nice outside and they want to see their friends.

But if someone I care about dies and a funeral is held, I'll consider that as important as going to the grocery store and no greater risk. Especially when its outside.

At some point you have to allow people their humanity. For many that is a fundamental element of the grieving process and to call them 'stupid' for it is robotic.

So when y'all keep going back and forth on NYC, Cuomo, de Blasio, the subways shutting down and wondering why the number of people infected keeps increasing, come back to me.

[Kidd Lex]

https://twitter.com/nbsaphiermd/stat...505924608?s=12

Apologize if Q, been keeping up on mobile.

[Kiimo]

My rent is $2650. I'm one of the lucky ones because I am not sick and still working and do have money set aside.

What would make me a DICK is saying got mine you should have planned ahead nanny nanny poo poo.

That's what makes you a dick. C'mon man people are going to start looting in about three weeks.

Please don't respond with "Cool, got my guns ready."

[PAChiefsGuy]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I'm sorry - I get putting people on blast for going to the park because it's nice outside and they want to see their friends.

But if someone I care about dies and a funeral is held, I'll consider that as important as going to the grocery store and no greater risk. Especially when its outside.

At some point you have to allow people their humanity. For many that is a fundamental element of the grieving process and to call them 'stupid' for it is robotic.

Lol. No greater risk than going to the grocery store huh? Thanks for your expert medical opinion.

17 family members reportedly get coronavirus after attending funeral

https://nypost.com/2020/03/30/family...nding-funeral/

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by petegz28

If that truly is the case then either just about everyone is immune or asymptomatic or the spread would be ****ing outrageous by now.

Or while it might be able to be transmitted like that, the odds are so ****ing small that it isn't worth worrying about.

How does that even make sense? That's the whole reason for the 6 foot rule... it's not so people won't cough in your face.

I've heard it's 2-3 times as contagious as the flu.

Like most things that get put into black & white, it's probably somewhere in between.

[BWillie]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

You asked earlier what my plan would be and honestly I had never thought about it. I have ever since though.

I would have shut everything down when they started the 15 days to slow the spread. Quarantine style. Give everyone enough time to get food and lock down.
After 3 weeks you have to test good to get out and go back to work. Anyone that doesn’t test good stays in until they do.

The healthy people would all be going back to work next week if they had done that.

One of the best plans yet.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Pushead2

So when y'all keep going back and forth on NYC, Cuomo, the subways shutting down and wondering why the number of people infected keeps increasing, come back to me.

And when you wonder why New Yorkers (and the public writ large) keep telling people to **** right off before throwing their hands up and quitting altogether because you're demanding they become automatons, I'll be ready to answer.

If somewhere on your list of 'acceptable transgressions' you don't have ****ing funerals, then the problem is your expectations.

These are still human beings you're working with and the attempt to boil them and their behaviors down to stats and ants under glass is going to be the biggest reason all this stuff will fall to shit.

You cannot continue to operate as though people aren't people and expect the desired outcomes.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

I dunno, $1000?

You don't have $1000 in the bank?

1250, and yes I do but I'm just going to tell you when you take into account that bill plus all my utilities and food we start pushing 2k.

Not everyone has 10k sitting in their bank in case of emergency.

[F150]

Originally Posted by petegz28

This is what I don't get about Cuomo and the Governor's in Nevada and Michigan. You're a patient on a ventilator with this shit and the doctors are telling you that you that they have done all they can and you are going to die. You ask about HCQ and then you get told "we can't give it to you because we don't know if it's safe". WTF?

Was there an issue with safety at all? Or are we seeing something not science or medical related at play?

The handwringing over the use of these products is starting to crash down on the doubters and those who oppose it for selfish interests.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

National Academy of Sciences is a serious organization. No way they put that out there without a scientific method, peer reviewed study data to back it up.

So you're saying this is credible?

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

I straight up don't believe 50% of America can't make rent/mortgage if they lose their job in a given month.

Don't believe it.

Imagine that.

[Pushead2]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

And when you wonder why New Yorkers (and the public writ large) keep telling people to **** right off before throwing their hands up and quitting altogether because you're demanding they become automatons, I'll be ready to answer.

If somewhere on your list of 'acceptable transgressions' you don't have ****ing funerals, then the problem is your expectations.

These are still human beings you're working with and the attempt to boil them and their behaviors down to stats and ants under glass is going to be the biggest reason all this stuff will fall to shit.

You cannot continue to operate as though people aren't people and expect the desired outcomes.

I'm sorry, are you in NYC to know what New Yorkers are actually doing?

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

How does that even make sense? That's the whole reason for the 6 foot rule... it's not so people won't cough in your face.

I've heard it's 2-3 times as contagious as the flu.

Like most things that get put into black & white, it's probably somewhere in between.

I am just saying if it can be transferred like that you would think that globally things would be even worse than they are.