***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[BWillie]

Originally Posted by Monticore

If I improperly remove or put on ppe at work I increase my chance of getting contaminated, she was doing everything wrong multiple times and not using proper hand washing , putting on a contaminated mask and gloves is worse than not putting a mask and gloves at all.

Gloves? Sure. Absolutely.

Mask? No. Masks protect you from droplets and shooting out droplets into the air to infect other people. Any ****ing idiot can wear a mask, and even if they wear it poorly, it will still HELP. And the contaminates are from YOU. So as long as you don't throw it at people after you are done using it there shouldn't be a huge deal about that.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by BWillie

It's possible that more of New York's cases are mature, compared to more of the cases in California being newer. Since Washington and New York are the earliest out breaks. One can expect their deaths to be higher as a result.

How do you even begin to say their cases are newer? They are so much closer to the original hot spot of WA state than NY yet somehow their cases are just now starting?

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

I'm using Shipt down here. No issues, Get delivery's within hours or pick my time. Substitutions are only done for hoarder stuff.

Instacart was the only option for delivery and it'll be the last time, for sure.

[jdubya]

Originally Posted by petegz28

California is actually surprising the **** out of me. While they are number 3 in total cases which given their population is to be expected they are very low in total deaths and their daily new deaths seem to stay under 30. There was some chatter on the radio today that they are saying their curve is flattening. I sure hope so. Cause right now the east coast is scaring the **** out of everyone.

I live in the SF Bay Area and I am surprised as well. Buddy of mine works with the county emergency response team and tells me they are still anticipating our spike to be in 3 weeks from now. That is surprising because we have been sheltered in place for just over 2 weeks already. No way of knowing how compliant everybody has been but it feels like our curve has been softened big time. Some speculation is that California has already been hit with the bulk as early as January and we just all thought it was the normal flu. Many of us have had weird sore throats, coughs and low grade fevers since January and didnt think much of it. Time will tell I guess.....

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by kgrund

So is Donger the guy that most people know at least one who has to argue EVERY point?

He just likes to really understand stuff, it just takes him a few extra questions to get there sometimes.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by jdubya

I live in the SF Bay Area and I am surprised as well. Buddy of mine works with the county emergency response team and tells me they are still anticipating our spike to be in 3 weeks from now. That is surprising because we have been sheltered in place for just over 2 weeks already. No way of knowing how compliant everybody has been but it feels like our curve has been softened big time. Some speculation is that California has already been hit with the bulk as early as January and we just all thought it was the normal flu. Many of us have had weird sore throats, coughs and low grade fevers since January and didnt think much of it. Time will tell I guess.....

I completely agree with that and I think it was more widespread than people realize. Thus giving us the worse flu season ever. I hope it doesn't get worse there.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by BWillie

Gloves? Sure. Absolutely.

Mask? No. Masks protect you from droplets and shooting out droplets into the air to infect other people. Any ****ing idiot can wear a mask, and even if they wear it poorly, it will still HELP.

High probability you touch your face with them , washing them is less effective than washing your hands and people will often times wear them multiple times and lose track of what was inside or outside.

Putting the mask on you dash and contaminating the inside by using dirty hands .if you contaminate the outside and then It gets moist from breathing .

[eDave]

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[BWillie]

Originally Posted by jdubya

I live in the SF Bay Area and I am surprised as well. Buddy of mine works with the county emergency response team and tells me they are still anticipating our spike to be in 3 weeks from now. That is surprising because we have been sheltered in place for just over 2 weeks already. No way of knowing how compliant everybody has been but it feels like our curve has been softened big time. Some speculation is that California has already been hit with the bulk as early as January and we just all thought it was the normal flu. Many of us have had weird sore throats, coughs and low grade fevers since January and didnt think much of it. Time will tell I guess.....

Everybody keeps saying that. I don't see how it could be true. If it was, the ICU's would have been much more full like they are in NY and Italy. But they weren't.

I got the flu for the first time in 10 years in early February. And it was the flu. It wasn't coronavirus.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by jdubya

Of course I do. If she takes the time to use gloves and mask it is because she wants to avoid contamination. How about this scenario:
Same women driving in her car sees a car wreck on the side of road and pulls over to help. She sees a person bleeding badly so she puts on gloves to protect herself from contamination and begins to help the person. Paramedics come and say thank you goodbye. Lady walks back to her car wearing her gloves completely bloody. Do you think she will rummage through her purse with the gloves on? Do you think she will touch her hair or shoulder with gloves on? Do you think she will remove her gloves in such a way as to not get blood on her clean hand? Do you think she will roll up her bloody gloves and put them in her jeans pocket?

I think being that she cant see anything on her gloves makes her feel clean and protected and complacent and therefore it increases her risk of getting truly infected. If you disagree, thats OK. I`ve had nothing better to do the last hour so Im just having fun. Cheers

Again, there's no need for alternative scenarios. If you can't explain why she's more likely to get infected in the scenario you posted about with gloves and masks than without, that's fine.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by BWillie

Everybody keeps saying that. I don't see how it could be true. If it was, the ICU's would have been much more full like they are in NY and Italy. But they weren't.

I got the flu for the first time in 10 years in early February. And it was the flu. It wasn't coronavirus.

That is a gross assumption at best. You have absolutely no way of knowing that whatsoever.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by kgrund

So is Donger the guy that most people know at least one who has to argue EVERY point?

No. But I question things that don't make sense logically and rationally. Unfortunately, that's often.

[jdubya]

Originally Posted by petegz28

I completely agree with that and I think it was more widespread than people realize. Thus giving us the worse flu season ever. I hope it doesn't get worse there.

Or maybe we have the "herd immunity" thing going on. Wishful thinking I know.....Not sure how much longer the shelter in place orders will last. The streets are busier with traffic this week from last week when they looked like a ghost town. People are getting antsy

[BWillie]

Originally Posted by Monticore

High probability you touch your face with them , washing them is less effective than washing your hands and people will often times wear them multiple times and lose track of what was inside or outside.

Even if you let someone else infected with the virus use your mask, then used it one day later. Which nobody would ever do in real life. But lets assume they did that. You could still use the mask one day later and have almost a 0% chance of getting the virus. The virus does not last on that type of material for as long as it does on solid surfaces. It only lasts on solid surfaces, like real solid non-porous surfaces to UP TO 24 hrs. In very rare cases and surfaces can it ever last longer than that. And even Much less on clothes and porous surfaces.

[jdubya]

Originally Posted by Donger

Again, there's no need for alternative scenarios. If you can't explain why she's more likely to get infected in the scenario you posted about with gloves and masks than without, that's fine.

I have

you dont agree

Thats OK