***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[O.city]

I hope more people have had it

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Hog's Gone Fishin

Yep, he's a dumbass in disguise!

Case in point. Clearly a bioweapon because SARS-CoV-2 has multiple strains. Points out that every viral epidemic or pandemic has multiple strains, so all must be bioweapons, and gets told to **** off.

QED

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Monticore

If I improperly remove or put on ppe at work I increase my chance of getting contaminated, she was doing everything wrong multiple times and not using proper hand washing , putting on a contaminated mask and gloves is worse than not putting a mask and gloves at all.

Compared to not wearing any PPE?

[O.city]

Originally Posted by BWillie

Everybody keeps saying that. I don't see how it could be true. If it was, the ICU's would have been much more full like they are in NY and Italy. But they weren't.

I got the flu for the first time in 10 years in early February. And it was the flu. It wasn't coronavirus.

Maybe they were and we didn’t know what we were looking at

[ghak99]

Originally Posted by petegz28

California is actually surprising the **** out of me. While they are number 3 in total cases which given their population is to be expected they are very low in total deaths and their daily new deaths seem to stay under 30. There was some chatter on the radio today that they are saying their curve is flattening. I sure hope so. Cause right now the east coast is scaring the **** out of everyone.

Wasn't there some info out there stating that the California virus was a fairly specific source and NY had figured out that they had imported the virus from several different sources? I want to say they had genotyped the virus at various locations and could determine the regions it had traveled through prior to getting to the current host city. Perhaps there are some slight differences resulting in treatment success.

[BWillie]

Originally Posted by petegz28

That is a gross assumption at best. You have absolutely no way of knowing that whatsoever.

So Californians would have some innate ability of being asymptomatic compared to New Yorkers, Chinese, Italians, and Spaniards? Just by living in California? I find that highly unlikely being that California is also the most of the most diverse populations on earth. If California saw an increase in people being hospitalized with flu like symptoms, they would test them, which they probably do anyway. And if it wasn't the flu they would keep testing them to determine if the illness was novel or not.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by jdubya

Or maybe we have the "herd immunity" thing going on. Wishful thinking I know.....Not sure how much longer the shelter in place orders will last. The streets are busier with traffic this week from last week when they looked like a ghost town. People are getting antsy

It's really impossible to know for sure. The shelter in place thing though has about 3 more weeks or so before people are going to start saying **** all this shit.

Aside from the run on the hospitals and the increased deaths that will result from it, there is a logic to getting back out and letting nature do its thing. It is definitely not the ideal scenario but that doesn't mean it isn't logical.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by petegz28

That is a gross assumption at best. You have absolutely no way of knowing that whatsoever.

They can test for influenza.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by jdubya

I have

you dont agree

Thats OK

For the benefit of the the thread:

[Dartgod]

Originally Posted by Donger

No, I didn't. You don't know that she would have done anything differently or had more caution if she weren't wearing gloves or a mask.

She would have touched her keys. Same result.

She would have touched her car doors. Same result.

And so on. I get that if she had followed proper procedure, she could have decreased her likelihood of infection, but sorry, I don't see the increase.

Please understand. I'm not trying to be difficult. Heck, I posted the precautions I take (and have) in this very thread.

Do you realize how annoying you can be? I suspect you do and I suspect you will answer this post with a question.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Instacart was the only option for delivery and it'll be the last time, for sure.

Bummer

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Dartgod

Do you realize how annoying you can be? I suspect you do and I suspect you will answer this post with a question.

Yes, I'm aware that pointing out and correcting errors and falsehoods can be annoying to those who do it.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by Donger

Yes, I'm aware that pointing out and correcting errors and falsehoods can be annoying to those who do it.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by BWillie

So Californian's would have some innate ability of being asymptomatic compared to New Yorkers, Chinese, Italians, and Spaniards? Just by being California? I find that highly unlikely being that California is also the most of the most diverse populations on earth.

Dude, you keep acting like all the factors between NY and Italy exist everywhere and that everywhere MUST be like them when that is patently false.

New Yorkers literally live on top of each other. Maybe you haven't ever been to California but I can tell you they have more traffic than anywhere else in the country. Why? Because everyone has a car. They aren't crammed into subways pressed up against everyone else.

They also tend to live in houses and apartments that don't have one entrance that literally everyone that lives there has to touch.

There are so many ****ing variables it's asinine to think what happens in NY MUST happen everywhere else.

Again, shitloads of people travel up and down the west coast. WA state was the first hot spot. Everyone was sooooo worried about WA state. Yet CA has more cases than them and less total deaths.

So if your argument is that it is just now getting to CA when 2 states away we had the original hot spot I would have to say you're on crack. Not to mention the overall Chinese population in the state of CA. You know, people traveling back and forth from China to CA.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

There's one now. Thanks for checking in.