***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Donger]

Originally Posted by AustinChief

.1 is generally true which is why I specified a bad flu season. Check out 2018 if you want to see bad numbers.

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45,000,000 cases and 61,000 deaths?

[displacedinMN]

Originally Posted by O.city

They’re not doing any elective procedures and people are scared to go to the hospital

Honestly it’s a good thing in that way cause people go to the ER all the damn time for mi or shit they should go to urgent care for

Wife had a friend whos dad broke his leg. Got surgery but no one was allowed to go in to the hospital with him.

Report last night says that all Minnesota hospitals combined are losing 31 million dollars a day by not having elective surgeries. Remember We have Mayo. people come in from all over the world for that place.

[SupDock]

Originally Posted by AustinChief

You don't think we hit .16% in 2018? I specified a bad flu season estimate not what it is averaged over time. There is a huge yearly variance. If you can't argue what I actually posted than kindly shut the **** up.

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That's not what I'm arguing at all

You are comparing the overall CFR of a pandemic influenza year to a low CFR age bracket of Covid-19. You are completely ignoring the age brackets with higher CFRs, and ignoring the temporal aspect of the data.

[AustinChief]

Originally Posted by Donger

45,000,000 cases and 61,000 deaths?

Estimates range from 60-80k for US deaths that season. Admittedly that was one of the worst seasons in years but that was the exactly what I was referring to.

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['Hamas' Jenkins]

CFR of flu in 2018, the bad season, was 0.1% total.

[O.city]

I think some of this “bad flu season” was covid19

I don’t have any way to prove that

[AustinChief]

Originally Posted by SupDock

That's not what I'm arguing at all



You are comparing the overall CFR of a pandemic influenza year to a low CFR age bracket of Covid-19. You are completely ignoring the age brackets with higher CFRs, and ignoring the temporal aspect of the data.

Yes I am, that is clear in what I posted. You are pulling a Hamas now and changing the subject. You, like him, tried to argue that what I posted was false. Please back that up or retract it now that you have possibly had a chance to read what I actually wrote.

Or answer the question and provide YOUR metric for easing restrictions.

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[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by O.city

I think some of this “bad flu season” was covid19

I don’t have any way to prove that

[Donger]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

CFR of flu in 2018, the bad season, was 0.1% total.

Based on what figures?

[RedRaider56]

Originally Posted by SupDock

I didn't read that. I think you may be misunderstanding the article.

The policy is in regards to cardiac arrest in the field and resuscitation by EMS. If return of spontaneous circulation is not achieved in the field, the patient is no longer being transported to the hospital. The patient is declared dead in the field.

Believe it or not, there is a lot of evidence to support this, you cannot do high quality CPR in the back of an ambulance, and if return of circulation does not occur in the field it is very unlikely to occur in the hospital. I'm not certain, but I believe there are already EMS systems that have this policy in place, and it has nothing to do with Covid-19

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK541113/

They had stated it on the evening news last night and indeed I could have misinterpreted what they stated.

[BucEyedPea]

Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

Claim the weak? That's a little disrespectful. So you think your parents and grandparents are weak?

He's merely being factual scientifically. You're using conjecture that he's being disrespectful. That's being emotional.

[Donger]

9,800 new cases in NY already.

[BucEyedPea]

Originally Posted by O.city

I think some of this “bad flu season” was covid19

I don’t have any way to prove that

I think I may have had it in mid-February—but a mild case of it.
I had the flu.

[SupDock]

Originally Posted by AustinChief

Yes I am, that is clear in what I posted. You are pulling a Hamas now and changing the subject. You, like him, tried to argue that what I posted was false. Please back that up or retract it now that you have possibly had a chance to read what I actually wrote.

Or answer the question and provide YOUR metric for easing restrictions.

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You're not wrong, I'm just not sure what to do with the information you are posting.

I'll agree with you, the CFR of people under 35 (not under age 50) with Covid-19 is similar to the overall CFR of a pandemic influenza year. For people over 35, it is much different.

I don't have a metric for easing restrictions. I have no formal training in regards to that and wouldn't know where to start.

[PAChiefsGuy]

Originally Posted by BucEyedPea

He's merely being factual scientifically. You're using conjecture that he's being disrespectful. That's being emotional.

Nothing wrong with being emotional from time to time. We aren't robots.

Either way not a big deal. The professionals who are making the decisions about social distancing take the lives of the 'weak' seriously.