***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by stumppy

Hey! I didn't say would be a long successful one.

Hard to be successful dead. ( and I’ll argue his life was a success to many) Morris was successful after football iirc.

Berry was definitely successful

[stumppy]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

Maybe I missed stumppy's. I thought he said talented people will always have a career, but it appears that he secretly said that talented people will usually make at least a little money.

I'm not being strident on the point, but the sentiment is silly when you figure in that time marches on and things fall apart. Tomorrow is [and has never been] promised to us. So when worrying about the effects of big changes, a blanket 'don't worry, everything will eventually be fine' is just as pollyannish as the dour predictions are overly dismal.

Maybe I could have been a bit more specific in my sentiment. I wasn't

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

Hard to be successful dead. ( and I’ll argue his life was a success to many) Morris was successful after football iirc.

Berry was definitely successful

And stevie has been successful. He was worried about being successful tomorrow . . .

Jesus, this is going to turn into one of those subjects I'm not all that invested in, until people decide to be pointedly obtuse about it, isn't it?

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

And stevie has been successful. He was worried about being successful tomorrow . . .

Jesus, this is going to turn into one of those subjects I'm not all that invested in, until people decide to be pointedly obtuse about it, isn't it?

Those guys are still successful. Berry will be a success his whole life. For generations probably.
Like I said you wanted to shit on something so you did.

Good for you

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

Oh I completely understood you were just trying to shit all over it. No need for an explanation

You lot complain and complain about people being overly pessimistic. And I agree. But overly pollyannish can [and decidedly IS, I can attest] just as irritating, because it sends a signal that some STILL aren't prepared to face the worst.

Saying 'just lounge around the house a few days, and everything will go back to normal' is just as damaging as saying 'we may never gather in groups of more than 5 again in anyone's lifetime.'

It says that when those 'few days' are up, a lot of people will JUST THEN be coming to grips to something others have been preparing themselves for all this time. And we'll have an ALL NEW wave of panic of 'wait, I thought everyone said!!'

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

You lot complain and complain about people being overly pessimistic. And I agree. But overly pollyannish can [and decidedly IS, I can attest] just as irritating, because it sends a signal that some STILL aren't prepared to face the worst.

Saying 'just lounge around the house a few days, and everything will go back to normal' is just as damaging as saying 'we may never gather in groups of more than 5 again in anyone's lifetime.'

You lot?


Shut the **** up with that shit.

I haven’t complained about anything.


You just needed to be a piece of shit just because I guess...

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

Those guys are still successful. Berry will be a success his whole life. For generations probably.
Like I said you wanted to shit on something so you did.

Good for you

It needed shitting on.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by TLO

They promised an update on their model yesterday. Now they've deleted the messages that stated an update was coming April 4th

Something strange going on

And just to follow up on this, their projection was for 40,000+ people to be hospitalized with covid today. The actual number is under 15,000.

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

You lot?


Shut the **** up with that shit.

I haven’t complained about anything.


You just needed to be a piece of shit just because I guess...

**** off, you are always such an abrasive piece of shit.

Worthless mother****er

I make a short point that needed to be made in a concise and polite manner, and you turned it into a full blown battle royale, with escalating epithets.

[O.city]

Boris Johnson hospitalized

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

**** off, you are always such an abrasive piece of shit.

Worthless mother****er

I make a short point that needed to be made in a concise and polite manner, and you turned it into a full blown battle royale, with escalating epithets.

Yeah the guy trying to comfort a friend is the piece of shit here...


I think you have it backwards.

No one needed your point. I think we all ****ing know it’s an option.

The only worthless mother****er here is you. As always. Piece of shit I’d add in too honestly.

Now either take it to pms or shut the **** to about it. Here’s not really the place

[LoneWolf]

Originally Posted by O.city

Boris Johnson hospitalized

Good

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by O.city

Boris Johnson hospitalized

When leaders start dying is when problems are going to start

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by LoneWolf

Good

Grow up.

[Bearcat]

"Escalating Epithets" would be a great band name.