***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by Donger

Personally, I hope that we ****ing crush all the models along with the bug.

me too

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by Donger

Personally, I hope that we ****ing crush all the models along with the bug.

Your best post ever, Mr Donger and I believe we will.

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by penguinz

This is such a ****ing stupid comment. You do realize that if we did not take the precautions we have and the hospitals get overrun that would cause even more economic fallout and panic than what we have seen don't you?

No what is a stupid comment is thinking MILLIONS out of the job will not cause more damage in the long run then just letting the virus run its course.

I get it, it sucks. But economic depression typically lead to wars or conflict in one way or another.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

At the risk of sounding like a broken record, patience. It's not just about getting past the peak of the curve. You have to completely descend the other side. Otherwise, you're just going to end up creating a second peak.

[dirk digler]

The only real way to open up things without a vaccine is get mass serology testing up and running

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

At the risk of sounding like a broken record, patience. It's not just about getting past the peak of the curve. You have to completely descend the other side. Otherwise, you're just going to end up creating a second peak.

There will be a second peak. I don't think there is anyway to avoid it.

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

The only real way to open up things without a vaccine is get mass serology testing up and running

this......

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Exactly and we arent waiting until there are 0 cases before opening back up. That was never the plan.

If you try to go back to normal to fast you'll just recreate what is already happening for a second time, want that?

[penguinz]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Hopefully they don't still live with their parents but again.the plan was not to overwhelm the health care system, not.wait for a vaccine.

And to prevent that we can't open up until there is a significant downward trend in cases/deaths. At least for the short term I would like them to also make wearing a mask when in public mandatory. other wise all it takes is one or two in a crowded area to start it all up again.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Hopefully they don't still live with their parents but again.the plan was not to overwhelm the health care system, not.wait for a vaccine.

More adults live with their parents than I believe at any other time in history these days...

[Donger]

Update on the plasma donor in California:

On April 1, Garcia donated his plasma for experimental transfer into three patients.

As of Sunday, he said, doctors told him that all of his plasma has been donated. The patient who was in the worst condition has since improved, Garcia said doctors told him.
The patient was taken off some medication, is healthier in terms of oxygenation and is doing incrementally better day by day, a spokesperson for the hospital told CNN in an email late Sunday night.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

There will be a second peak. I don't think there is anyway to avoid it.

Make mask wearing compulsory in all public spaces for some period of time, continue to limit gathering sizes, and practice distancing as best as possible in public spaces and it can be mitigated.

[dirk digler]

[penguinz]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

No what is a stupid comment is thinking MILLIONS out of the job will not cause more damage in the long run then just letting the virus run its course.

I get it, it sucks. But economic depression typically lead to wars or conflict in one way or another.

Again, you are clueless. If the hospital system collapses and people can't get care and/or die from their serious, non-covid illnesses then the result of that economically will far exceed what we are seeing now. Only takes a kindergarten education to understand that.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

The only real way to open up things without a vaccine is get mass serology testing up and running

These types of things will utilized as ease back in for sure. We won't be starting back up under perfect circumstances, ae don't have time. I think we arenprogressing and have some tools at our disposal to help limit the damage though.