***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

Click here for the original OP:

Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by arrowheadnation

Hmmm....I've sort of been in the market for a new set. I've had a set of AP2's for 6 years and loved them. Was just going to go with another set of Titleists, but I'm also what you would call a "tinkerer" and Mizzunos have always intrigued me...hmmm.

I think AP2 are more forgiving than the Mizunos I have used but I preferred the thinner top line and the softer feel on pure hits. I grew up playing pure blades and that Mizuno forged is really nice.

[2112]

Originally Posted by Tnerped

This is almost exactly what's going on. Feels like heartburn a lot and then when I sleep, I just can't turn anything off my heart feels like it's gonna beat out of my chest. Almost except what I think is a strained pectoral muscle. But I'll see in a couple days.

I had a very stressful job and at one point it felt like my heart was gonna pound right out of my chest. I went to my doctor lol my bp was 145 over 95 and my standing heart rate was 121. He freaked out and did an ekg on the spot which was fine. Then he asked me if I was dealing with stress. I said yes. He told me to take a day off work and come back and see him on my day off. BP was 110 over 78 and my standing heart rate was 72. It was all stress. Then I learned how to deal with it and now it’s not a problem.

Always best to get checked out man. Hope you feel better.

[stumppy]

Originally Posted by O.city

Nope these are all for me

Lucky bastard. When I was growing up my mom was a horrible cook. Hell, when she cooked a roast you needed dental records to identify it.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by stumppy

Lucky bastard. When I was growing up my mom was a horrible cook. Hell, when she cooked a roast you needed dental records to identify it.

Dang that’s rough

Luckily my mom and grandma are legit in the kitchen. They hate talking about feelings or anything like that but damn can they cook

[petegz28]

Interesting note; worldometers is now listing the number of tests given in each state

[Tnerped]

Originally Posted by TLO

By can't turn anything off do you mean your mind/thoughts?

Yeah. Normally I'd be able to just pass out, but after my dog, I just can't stop with the whole death thing and this whole covid ordeal doesn't make it any better.

[BigRedChief]

Some discussion as to why young and otherwise healthy patients are dying so fast from coranavirus. This might be an explanation....
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Mysterious Heart Damage, Not Just Lung Troubles, Befalling COVID-19 Patients

In addition to lung damage, many COVID-19 patients are also developing heart problems — and dying of cardiac arrest.

As more data comes in from China and Italy, as well as Washington state and New York, more cardiac experts are coming to believe the COVID-19 virus can infect the heart muscle. An initial study found cardiac damage in as many as 1 in 5 patients, leading to heart failure and death even among those who show no signs of respiratory distress.

That could change the way doctors and hospitals need to think about patients, particularly in the early stages of illness. It also could open up a second front in the battle against the COVID-19 pandemic, with a need for new precautions in people with preexisting heart problems, new demands for equipment and, ultimately, new treatment plans for damaged hearts among those who survive.

“It’s extremely important to answer the question: Is their heart being affected by the virus and can we do something about it?” said Dr. Ulrich Jorde, the head of heart failure, cardiac transplantation and mechanical circulatory support for the Montefiore Health System in New York City. “This may save many lives in the end.”

Virus Or Illness?

The question of whether the emerging heart problems are caused by the virus itself or are a byproduct of the body’s reaction to it has become one of the critical unknowns facing doctors as they race to understand the novel illness. Determining how the virus affects the heart is difficult, in part, because severe illness alone can influence heart health.

“Someone who’s dying from a bad pneumonia will ultimately die because the heart stops,” said Dr. Robert Bonow, a professor of cardiology at the Northwestern University Feinberg School of Medicine and editor of the medical journal JAMA Cardiology. “You can’t get enough oxygen into your system and things go haywire.”

But Bonow and many other cardiac specialists believe a COVID-19 infection could lead to damage to the heart in four or five ways. Some patients, they say, might be affected by more than one of those pathways at once.

https://khn.org/news/mysterious-hear...d-19-patients/

[jerryaldini]

Sorry about Q but just wow, the deaths and new hospitalization data got incredibly better over the weekend in Italy, Spain, France and Germany. Cuomo's presser this morning amazingly encouraging. They are essentially at the apex now (peak Wednesday), and needing only 25K beds. The original models were 110k and even recent were 55k. There will not be rationing of care there. Distancing has been effective around the world.

All of this were what drove markets 7% higher today. It's happening.

[DaFace]

In case anyone cares to dig at this depth, IHME published a PDF that has comparisons of the three waves of their model at the national and state level. Kind of interesting.

http://www.healthdata.org/sites/defa...ease_all_0.pdf

[mdchiefsfan]

Originally Posted by DaFace

In case anyone cares to dig at this depth, IHME published a PDF that has comparisons of the three waves of their model at the national and state level. Kind of interesting.

http://www.healthdata.org/sites/defa...ease_all_0.pdf

Thanks for sharing

[Why Not?]

Originally Posted by stumppy

Lucky bastard. When I was growing up my mom was a horrible cook. Hell, when she cooked a roast you needed dental records to identify it.

I’m with you. My mother could **** up toast. Thankfully, karma or some shit is real because my wife could take 3 rocks and a pot and turn them into the best meal you ever had. How I’m not fat as shit is purely genetic. That I can thank my mother for, I guess.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by DaFace

In case anyone cares to dig at this depth, IHME published a PDF that has comparisons of the three waves of their model at the national and state level. Kind of interesting.

http://www.healthdata.org/sites/defa...ease_all_0.pdf

So are we throwing the IMHE out with the bath water or holding onto it?

[R Clark]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Some discussion as to why young and otherwise healthy patients are dying so fast from coranavirus. This might be an explanation....
——————————————————————-————————

Mysterious Heart Damage, Not Just Lung Troubles, Befalling COVID-19 Patients

In addition to lung damage, many COVID-19 patients are also developing heart problems — and dying of cardiac arrest.

As more data comes in from China and Italy, as well as Washington state and New York, more cardiac experts are coming to believe the COVID-19 virus can infect the heart muscle. An initial study found cardiac damage in as many as 1 in 5 patients, leading to heart failure and death even among those who show no signs of respiratory distress.

That could change the way doctors and hospitals need to think about patients, particularly in the early stages of illness. It also could open up a second front in the battle against the COVID-19 pandemic, with a need for new precautions in people with preexisting heart problems, new demands for equipment and, ultimately, new treatment plans for damaged hearts among those who survive.

“It’s extremely important to answer the question: Is their heart being affected by the virus and can we do something about it?” said Dr. Ulrich Jorde, the head of heart failure, cardiac transplantation and mechanical circulatory support for the Montefiore Health System in New York City. “This may save many lives in the end.”

Virus Or Illness?

The question of whether the emerging heart problems are caused by the virus itself or are a byproduct of the body’s reaction to it has become one of the critical unknowns facing doctors as they race to understand the novel illness. Determining how the virus affects the heart is difficult, in part, because severe illness alone can influence heart health.

“Someone who’s dying from a bad pneumonia will ultimately die because the heart stops,” said Dr. Robert Bonow, a professor of cardiology at the Northwestern University Feinberg School of Medicine and editor of the medical journal JAMA Cardiology. “You can’t get enough oxygen into your system and things go haywire.”

But Bonow and many other cardiac specialists believe a COVID-19 infection could lead to damage to the heart in four or five ways. Some patients, they say, might be affected by more than one of those pathways at once.

https://khn.org/news/mysterious-hear...d-19-patients/

So enlighten me how do you sort the bullshit from the truth on anything coming out of China ?

[jerryaldini]

Originally Posted by DaFace

In case anyone cares to dig at this depth, IHME published a PDF that has comparisons of the three waves of their model at the national and state level. Kind of interesting.

http://www.healthdata.org/sites/defa...ease_all_0.pdf

That's really cool. You can flip through to the 4th quadrant for each state and see curve flattening for most of them. And the peak and end dates have advanced to earlier, which is good since it means normalization faster. Thanks for posting!

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Interesting note; worldometers is now listing the number of tests given in each state

Canada has tested more than i thought.