***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Exactly but I sense yet another "but" as to why those numbers aren't right either. People are cherry picking to suit their argument.

where’s cherry picking?

An estimated additional 180 - 195 deaths per day occurring at home in New York City due to COVID-19 are not being counted in the official figures. "Early on in this crisis we were able to swab people who died at home, and thus got a coronavirus reading. But those days are long gone. We simply don't have the testing capacity for the large numbers dying at home. Now only those few who had a test confirmation *before* dying are marked as victims of coronavirus on their death certificate. This almost certainly means we are undercounting the total number of victims of this pandemic," said Mark Levine, Chair of New York City Council health committee

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

Well you’d think that but then there’s this...

An estimated additional 180 - 195 deaths per day occurring at home in New York City due to COVID-19 are not being counted in the official figures. "Early on in this crisis we were able to swab people who died at home, and thus got a coronavirus reading. But those days are long gone. We simply don't have the testing capacity for the large numbers dying at home. Now only those few who had a test confirmation *before* dying are marked as victims of coronavirus on their death certificate. This almost certainly means we are undercounting the total number of victims of this pandemic," said Mark Levine, Chair of New York City Council health committee

And I will tell you now that as sad as it sounds, whether the person died FROM Covid or not if they test or have symptoms they are being tagged as so for financial reasons among others.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by petegz28

People are cherry picking to suit their argument.

Yes, some people are.

[Titty Meat]

This cant be right

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-w...t-positive-for

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by petegz28

And I will tell you now that as sad as it sounds, whether the person died FROM Covid or not if they test or have symptoms they are being tagged as so for financial reasons among others.

Well that guy says they AREN’T being tagged as dying from Coronavirus, they aren’t even being tested...

Did you even read what he said and who it was saying it?

He SPECIFICALLY said there aren’t being counted in the figures, so in New York a third of the deaths could be being missed every day

[burt]

Just a little help for the rest of this thread....

draconian [ drey-koh-nee-uh n, druh- ]

adj.harsh
Synonyms for draconian
cruel
drastic
heavy-handed
oppressive
severe
strict
brutal
exorbitant
extreme
rough
very severe

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

Well you’d think that but then there’s this...

An estimated additional 180 - 195 deaths per day occurring at home in New York City due to COVID-19 are not being counted in the official figures. "Early on in this crisis we were able to swab people who died at home, and thus got a coronavirus reading. But those days are long gone. We simply don't have the testing capacity for the large numbers dying at home. Now only those few who had a test confirmation *before* dying are marked as victims of coronavirus on their death certificate. This almost certainly means we are undercounting the total number of victims of this pandemic," said Mark Levine, Chair of New York City Council health committee

I've seen that but you can bet people positive with Covid dying from unrelated causes are being counted as Covid deaths or people with symptoms but no test dying are being counted in other places. That numbers just seems insane to me as well given what that would do to their totals but

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Well at least the dialogue got me to researching patient 31.

For pure intrigue read this story on it. I don't believe the conspiracy floated in it but it's rather interesting. It makes you wonder how so many people did get infected.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/...065953841.html

yup it is crazy how easy this spreads.

And to show how good\crazy SK is tracking this down I read a story last week on how they traced a bunch of infected people. They had surveillance cameras in a church and they saw the infected person come in, everyone around that one person got infected and they traced those down. Then they looked at the video and for the next 2 weeks anyone that sat in the same seat as the first infected person also got infected soon after and they traced them down as well and quarantined them.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Titty Meat

This cant be right

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-w...t-positive-for

Doesn't sound far-fetched:

Nonprofit news site BridgeMI.com reported that Dr. Adnan Munkarah of the Henry Ford Health System confirmed 731 cases of the coronavirus among employees at the hospital system, accounting for 2 percent of the hospital system's 31,600 employees

[loochy]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

Might be bad timing for a new Corona product launch...

Introducing Corona Hard Seltzer. Four delicious flavors. One splashy entrance. pic.twitter.com/XrPPr6nWrB
— Corona USA (@coronaextrausa) February 24, 2020

No, it's actually perfect timing.

[FloridaMan88]

Strategically social distance the high risk group.

We do this all of the time in normal situations with cancer patients, etc. The high risk individual social distances and those who come in direct contact with the high risk person take the proper precautions (i.e. wearing masks/gloves).

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...es/2960151001/

The majority of New York’s more than 4,700 deaths due to coronavirus were among men, and 86% of all deaths were among people who had underlying illnesses, such as hypertension and diabetes, new state data shows.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by burt

Just a little help for the rest of this thread....

draconian [ drey-koh-nee-uh n, druh- ]

adj.harsh
Synonyms for draconian
cruel
drastic
heavy-handed
oppressive
severe
strict
brutal
exorbitant
extreme
rough
very severe

Quite a legacy...

Draco (/ˈdreɪkoʊ/; Greek: Δράκων, Drakōn; fl. c. 7th century BC), also called Drako or Drakon, was the first recorded legislator of Athens in Ancient Greece. He replaced the prevailing system of oral law and blood feud by a written code to be enforced only by a court of law. Draco was the first democratic legislator, requested by the Athenian citizens to be a lawgiver for the city-state, but the citizens were fully unaware that Draco would establish laws characterized by their harshness. Since the 19th century, the adjective draconian (Greek: δρακόντειος drakónteios) refers to similarly unforgiving rules or laws, in Greek, English and other European languages.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by Titty Meat

This cant be right

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-w...t-positive-for

I am sure it is. Hospitals are highly infected and you shouldn't go to one now unless you absolutely need to. I don't know how they are going to clean these.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

Well that guy says they AREN’T being tagged as dying from Coronavirus, they aren’t even being tested...

Did you even read what he said and who it was saying it?

He SPECIFICALLY said there aren’t being counted in the figures, so in New York a third of the deaths could be being missed every day

I wasn't equating that to his statement, sorry if that was unclear. I was just elaborating to how numbers can be wonky.

[tk13]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Theoretically they might be. But there is a practical side to things that unfortunately have to be considered whether you like it or not. Specifically the logistical problems of testing en masse in a country our size.

In other words, it's a hell of a lot easier to test 50% of 1,000 than it is 50% of 5,000,000.

That's just excuses. Yeah it's going to be harder, but we also have the manpower and the world class science to get ahead of this and attack it and we chose not to do it.

People can dance around it all they want, but if you want to get out ahead of it you have to test. And that works both ways. There is a huge chance there are a lot of people who had this and don't know it and could go back out into society. If you want to get things back to normal it'd be a lot easier if people knew they had it. Otherwise you're going to create a situation where people are staying at home and the economy is still in the tank because they're afraid of catching a disease they already had, and don't know it. That's not going to improve the situation.