***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Donger]

Originally Posted by petegz28

The point was as I stated which you conveniently seem to have overlooked, Dr. Siegel would disagree about HCQ being effective along with the Dem Congresswoman from Michigan.

But you know this. It just doesn't fit your argument so you go off on your Donger ways.

Now, good day to you.

No, I don't know that. Where did he disagree with that?

[Pants]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

Ok, wow..... If this is were you get news from. More power to you, but it explains why you are so warped in the head.

Way to address something else than the video LITERALLY from Fox News.

There's so much ****ery going on in this thread at this point, I can't even...

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by limested

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-care-in-study

The Chinese study omits a key component of the cocktail - the administration of the Z-pack (or any sort of full spectrum antibiotic) and there's some question as to whether or not they were utilizing supplemental zinc as well.

Present theory suggests that the HCL serves to effectively 'open' the cell and then allow zinc to enter the cells and slow/stop the replication of the virus (which is a known attribute of zinc). The Z-pack (or, in theory, most any full spectrum antibiotic) then serves to 'clean the streets' of any opportunistic bacterial infections that serve to spin the immune system into overdrive and continue to lead to negative progression.

I don't know of anyone suggesting that the protocols utilized in the Chinese study are going to be effective.

Again - seems awfully strange to me how many people are taking half-truths and incomplete/inapplicable results as dispositive while immediately accusing anyone suggesting the opposite of doing the same.

But, I mean, we aren't talking politics here so I dare not speculate...

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Read the studies?

It's been addressed and acknowledged. For the sickest patients it appears that administration has come after the cytokine storm and this does nothing to alleviate THOSE problems. By the time that's taken place, there's little in the way of promising therapeutic options right now.

But the positive developments are coming in those that are treated earlier.

I suggest you not 'trust' what any single source says because right now it sure sounds like you're operating from about 30% of the knowledge needed to offer even a nominally informed opinion.

Now there's not a clear answer out there, but there's enough information to suggest that you should be a damn sight more open-minded about the possibilities than you are.

I still say there's a 60/40 shot at best that this thing becomes a 'go to' treatment protocol and that even if it does, it would only reach peak effectiveness if we have large-scale testing that allows it to be used earlier enough to be most efficient and effective.

But shit man, you sure do pick and choose when/how you're willing to slam the door on an argument based on incomplete information.

There have been studies done like the Chinese one that indicated it might not work but thats just 1 study.

You said earlier in this thread people should listen to Fauci instead of you. I admittedly dont have alot of knowledge on this but nor do you neither of us are I the medical field it's a bunch of guys talking on a message board.

[eDave]

Originally Posted by LiveSteam

This isnt political. Its just meant to be funny.


Bill Clinton contracted the Corona virus from eating an old bat.

Hahahahahha.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

I mean you really haven't countered any point minus saying "There is no proof"

-Someone shows evidence

-You claim its not enough evidence

I mean you're not countering anything.

Anecdotal evidence isn't proof. That's why it's anecdotal. Again, do you know what that word means?

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by petegz28

The point was as I stated which you conveniently seem to have overlooked, Dr. Siegel would disagree about HCQ being effective along with the Dem Congresswoman from Michigan.



But you know this. It just doesn't fit your argument so you go off on your Donger ways.



Now, good day to you.

So you brought up the doctor because he agrees with a politician.....and brought that up through a video that is political. So you just wanted everyone to know this while trying not ot make a political post as to get removed from the thread. Same left handed shit you been doing through the entire thread. From what I have noticed.

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[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

I mean you really haven't countered any point minus saying "There is no proof"

-Someone shows evidence

-You claim its not enough evidence

I mean you're not countering anything.

JFC, are you truly this naive and stupid?

Do you know nothing of biology, chemistry or neuroscience or clinical trials?

Do you watch TV? Have you ever seen a new drug advertised and heard the list of side effects?

Do you think that doctors can just prescribe medicine at will?

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

You know who will provide that proof?

Doctors. Doctors will provide that proof. Patients that have recovered completely from its usage.

Again, why do thousands continue to die each day if this combo is effective?

Tell us. We all want to know the answer.

I mean because they are not using the drug combo early enough? It will be a great question to answer later on. Especially if they officially say it works in the future.

Which will suck, I'd just like to get there sooner. But you guys deny the proof doctors have PROVIDED. I mean I understand why you want to wait for more doctors, I just believe it working on what I've seen and read.

[Dartgod]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

If Dick Vermeil said someone played 'particularly well' would that have the same meaning to you as Bill Belichick saying it?

Ultimately I think that entire exchange is much ado about nothing, but the idea that one persons restrained enthusiasm is the same as the next guys fails based on cursory inspection.

Dick Vermeil cries at fireflies. Bill Belichick could see some actually catch lightening in a jar and not take passing notice. Now I don't know where Fauci falls in that spectrum but I do think its fair to say he's been quiet reserved throughout this affair, no?

Trying to slap some dictionary definition on a throwaway verb use that's almost entirely context dependent is just kinda goofy.

Meh, it was blatant misuse of the word "gushed". Nothing more.

I have no desire to discuss it further.

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

Ok, wow..... If this is were you get news from. More power to you, but it explains why you are so warped in the head.

I watch Fox News. I couldnt find a direct link from their website so I had to Google the video.

Notice though you attacked the source linked and not the information the dr provided.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

So you brought up the doctor because he agrees with a politician.....and brought that up through a video that is political. So you just wanted everyone to know this while trying not ot make a political post as to get removed from the thread. Same left handed shit you been doing through the entire thread. From what I have noticed.

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Yeah, that's exactly what I was doing......

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by LiveSteam

This isnt political. Its just meant to be funny.





Bill Clinton contracted the Corona virus from eating an old bat.



Hahahahahha.

That has been more than enough to get people banned from theeads.

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[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

So you brought up the doctor because he agrees with a politician.....and brought that up through a video that is political. So you just wanted everyone to know this while trying not ot make a political post as to get removed from the thread. Same left handed shit you been doing through the entire thread. From what I have noticed.

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The ENTIRE THREAD.

Anecdotal evidence.

"I talk to doctors all the time and they say don't worry about this virus".

"See! Here's a link to some random doctor that says this works!".

Meanwhile, thousands of people die every day and the Clinical Trials have yet to show any effectiveness or ineffectiveness.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

I mean because they are not using the drug combo early enough? It will be a great question to answer later on. Especially if they officially say it works in the future.

Which will suck, I'd just like to get there sooner. But you guys deny the proof doctors have PROVIDED. I mean I understand why you want to wait for more doctors, I just believe it working on what I've seen and read.

have they presented the details of their "trials"? Something that can be peer-reviewed? Or have they just claimed this many patients and this many recoveries?