***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by eDave

@Pete

No snitching, warden is here

[SupDock]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

This is incorrect....

Maybe you are not aware but the results from the trial have been positive in NY, but the trial isn't complete.

I would be interested to see this. My understanding is that the trials are blinded, meaning no one knows anything yet.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by Donger

You mean Dr. Vlad's "trial"?

via GIPHY

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Titty Meat

Yet Hamas is the only one in here anywhere remotely close to the profession.

I'm sorry but I'll believe proven doctors and people with medical experience before I trust a lawyer on a football message board.

So if/when the CDC issues its modified social distancing guidelines for the exact same reasons I articulated 3-4 weeks ago that I came to by simply thinking through the problem, will you ignore the CDC because I had no medical training when I used basic logic in coming up with the same conclusions?

You didn't need a medical background to process your way through the asymptomatic carrier/aerosolized spread dilemma. And if the CDC comes out and acts on Dr. Birx's statements that the real problem arises from contact of longer than 15 minutes in duration at distances of less than 6 feet, then they will have 100% parroted those common sense outcomes.

I just not understand the desperate desire to simply surrender your willingness to think through a situation and consider outcomes.

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

We're obviously at the cranky afternoon, given TLO's daily timeline.

So, let's pretend the last hour didn't happen or else we'd boot like 10 people.

At first the whole self-policing thing was great, but for the love of god just ****ing let it go... everyone jumping in with 'ermergerd it's political' aren't helping anything.

That goes for Donger and BRC and all you who want to innocently talk about how things are political but only when someone else brings it up first so you can say it's political. Just stay the **** out of it.

Down vote it. Or report it. Or mention it once and then let it go.

FFS.

This 90 degree weather in April will do that to ya

[SupDock]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

2 Trails in France

1 Doctor in New York plus other have submitted their work on their own limited trials.

None of those are "proof" based on the medical standard for the term.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

No Governor Cuomo have said the trial has had positive results. This is whilst it is on going.

New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo (D) said Monday that early responses to the antimalarial drug hydroxychloroquine “anecdotally” suggest its use in the coronavirus fight has been “effective,” but that official data was still forthcoming.

“There has been anecdotal evidence that it is promising; that’s why we’re going ahead,” he added, noting that some patients have a pre-existing condition or medication regimen that prevents them from taking it.

[stumppy]

Originally Posted by SupDock

I would be interested to see this. My understanding is that the trials are blinded, meaning no one knows anything yet.

Don't they pretty much have to be to be considered legit.?

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by eDave

@Pete

Look, buttlicker, you can kiss the fattest part of me ass....got it?!?!?

[eDave]

Test

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

First, do no harm.

Which means there are plenty of "doctors" breaking their oath everyday by promoting something that hasn't been rightfully tested or approved to treat COVID-19.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

This is incorrect....

Maybe you are not aware but the results from the trial have been positive in NY, but the trial isn't complete.

Any life saved is definitely a positive even if it only save 1 out of 50 or 100 but not sure what stage it is considered a cure.

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

So if/when the CDC issues its modified social distancing guidelines for the exact same reasons I articulated 3-4 weeks ago that I came to by simply thinking through the problem, will you ignore the CDC because I had no medical training when I used basic logic in coming up with the same conclusions?

You didn't need a medical background to process your way through the asymptomatic carrier/aerosolized spread dilemma. And if the CDC comes out and acts on Dr. Birx's statements that the real problem arises from contact of longer than 15 minutes in duration at distances of less than 6 feet, then they will have 100% parroted those common sense outcomes.

I just not understand the desperate desire to simply surrender your willingness to think through a situation and consider outcomes.

Let's see what happens. I am willing to admit when I'm wrong.

[eDave]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Look, buttlicker, you can kiss the fattest part of me ass....got it?!?!?

You got a FG?

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by eDave

Test

And FTR, I've called you idiot several times. Even meant a few of them I am sure......