***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15

Man I've been sick for 3 weeks and I feel like death......that's mild suck it up pussy open back up the economy now!

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by stevieray

No offense but this is just silly.

Social media is making people a little too self absorbed with their opinions.

This country has dealt with fa,r far worse.

I agree that there shouldn’t be this overwhelming fear. It was stupid after 9/11 and it’d be stupid now. And i whole heartily agree that this country has whethered far worse crisis’s. Many times.

But, it’s still going to happen. It’s going to take society some time to return to normal because of the fear. This isn’t just my lone uninformed opinion.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

In our new world being sick for 20 days is “mild” because you weren’t admitted to a hospital. Pretty f’d up

It's both sad and scary that there are SO MANY people out there who think this is all being blown out of proportion.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Man I've been sick for 3 weeks and I feel like death......that's mild suck it up pussy open back up the economy now!

The selfishness and ignorance of people has definitely been on full display the last month or so.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15

It's both sad and scary that there are SO MANY people out there who think this is all being blown out of proportion.

Are you really surprised? We have a society that has been taught to be selfish to the point that some inconvenience is a enough to piss them off, let alone the generations that don't trust anything anyone says on top of it.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

If it goes away over the summer, there's zero reason for people to get back to normal life, attend concerts and sporting events, etc.

If it for some reason doesn't go away and just flattens, I could see many people being slow to buy concert tickets or whatever, but I think many, many more people will get back to their regular way of life.

Years is absolutely insane to say... there's zero reason to think that. FFS, there was a baseball game played in NYC days after 9/11 and other events, etc, people started flying again very soon after that, etc.

At most, more people will wear masks all the time.

where did I say it’s going to take years? I said it took that long after 9/11.

I used the the fear after 9/11 as an example of how society overreacts to fear. That’s the only correlation I’m making about 9/11 and covid-19. Peoples overreaction to what they fear. This is just a basic human trait. How is that in any way controversial? Or some kind of wakko opinion? People overreact to what they fear. That’s just fact.

[ghak99]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

If you want a more "reliable" example... check out the recent statistics from Miami-Dade County (compiled by Florida's Department of Health):

As of April 6th, there were 4,671 total confirmed COVID-19 cases in Miami-Dade County, 287 of those cases required hospitalization.

That means 94% (actually much higher than the 80% # from the China data) of COVID-19 cases in Miami-Dade County with a sample size of 4,600+ people had mild symptoms that did not require hospitalization.

Link: https://www.miamiherald.com/news/cor...241793806.html

There's also an unaccounted for segment of their surrounding population who were infected and never showed a strong enough symptom to cause a test to even be done.

[Donger]

New York governor: We're "cautiously optimistic" that infection rate is slowing

At least 777 people across New York died from coronavirus yesterday, New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo said. That's down from 799 the day before.

In total, 7,844 people have died from coronavirus in the state, the governor said.

While the state continues to lose a "tremendous number of lives," Cuomo said he's "cautiously optimistic" that the infection rate is slowing.

Cuomo said the change in ICU admissions is "a negative number" today — the first time since the coronavirus pandemic started.

"That means there are fewer people in the intensive care units statewide than there were," he explained.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by ghak99

There's also an unaccounted for segment of their surrounding population who were infected and never showed a strong enough symptom to cause a test to even be done.

Along with the people that had/have symptoms, but weren't allowed to test because they hadn't been in contact with a KNOWN case (hard to do when there's no testing) and/or hadn't traveled internationally or to/from a domestic hotspot.

My wife and I know 15-20 people who had/have symptoms and aren't "qualifying" for testing.

Factor in another 30% of false negatives. Hell, my likely false negative alone is keeping a LOT of people from being tested.

[limested]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15

Along with the people that had/have symptoms, but weren't allowed to test because they hadn't been in contact with a KNOWN case (hard to do when there's no testing) and/or hadn't traveled internationally or to/from a domestic hotspot.

My wife and I know 15-20 people who had/have symptoms and aren't "qualifying" for testing.

Factor in another 30% of false negatives. Hell, my likely false negative alone is keeping a LOT of people from being tested.

It's just a flu. Everyone get back to work.

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15

It's both sad and scary that there are SO MANY people out there who think this is all being blown out of proportion.

I know, and know of, people with it and the range has been a few days of feeling bad (females 20s), to a really bad breathing problems where people couldn’t say an entire sentence without running out of breath (male and female 30’s) to a sibling of a colleague who died (male 70).

People are generally used to dealing with an occasional virus with fever, aches, or a respiratory infection with bad coughing. People aren’t used to feeling like they can’t breathe. I’m sure it’s a very scary feeling,

[POND_OF_RED]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Peoples overreaction to what they fear. This is just a basic human trait. How is that in any way controversial? Or some kind of wakko opinion? People overreact to what they fear. That’s just fact.

Are you finally admitting that you’ve been overreacting a bit? I agree, we’ve definitely overreacted a lot these past couple months. Hopefully we can face our fears and get back to normal soon, though!

[KChiefs1]

Great commercial.


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[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

I know, and know of, people with it and the range has been a few days of feeling bad (females 20s), to a really bad breathing problems where people couldn’t say an entire sentence without running out of breath (male and female 30’s) to a sibling of a colleague who died (male 70).

People are generally used to dealing with an occasional virus with fever, aches, or a respiratory infection with bad coughing. People aren’t used to feeling like they can’t breathe. I’m sure it’s a very scary feeling,

It's especially scary considering (at least in my case) you struggle to breath, AND have all of the other issues going on. Fever, body ache, cough to the point of vomiting, massive headache, massive fatigue, etc.

For the first 15 days it felt like someone much bigger than me was giving me a permanent bear hug from behind. Got winded walking from the bedroom to the bathroom 8-10 feet away. At it's worst, it felt like I was trying to breath through a straw with the other end covered in a wet paper towel.

And again, I'm considered a mild case because I wasn't hospitalized.

But sure, it's just the flu. So many more people are going to get this out of pure stubbornness and ignorance.

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15

It's especially scary considering (at least in my case) you struggle to breath, AND have all of the other issues going on. Fever, body ache, cough to the point of vomiting, massive headache, massive fatigue, etc.

For the first 15 days it felt like someone much bigger than me was giving me a permanent bear hug from behind. Got winded walking from the bedroom to the bathroom 8-10 feet away. At it's worst, it felt like I was trying to breath through a straw with the other end covered in a wet paper towel.

And again, I'm considered a mild case because I wasn't hospitalized.

But sure, it's just the flu. So many more people are going to get this out of pure stubbornness and ignorance.

I’m glad you are on the road to recovery and are feeling better.

I can see why someone in a rural area of South Dakota doesn’t fully understand what is happening in NYC or to those who had it.