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Old 04-12-2020, 09:41 AM   #1
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Been thinking about this and I just can’t get down with a RB at 32 or even in in the top 50 with a trade down. Perfectly fine with taking one at 63 though.

There’s just too much talent at key positions and this RB class is deep. I think Andy can find that guy in the 2nd or 3rd rd.

Andy has always been able to find RB’s to perform in the later parts of the draft.

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Old 04-12-2020, 10:01 AM   #2
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Been thinking about this and I just can’t get down with a RB at 32 or even in in the top 50 with a trade down. Perfectly fine with taking one at 63 though.

There’s just too much talent at key positions and this RB class is deep. I think Andy can find that guy in the 2nd or 3rd rd.

Andy has always been able to find RB’s to perform in the later parts of the draft.

Damien Williams-UFA
Spencer Ware-6th rd pick
Kareem Hunt-3rd rd pick
Brian Westbrook-3rd rd pick
I think the point is more about what Pat could do with an elite running back and not just about Andy being able to find a running back that can perform at a serviceable level. We saw a glimpse of it with Hunt. If we can get that guy outside the first then great! But if the team has a guy like Swift rated as a step above the other backs and they feel that impact will be greater than that of top prospects at other positions I think you have to pull the trigger.
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Old 04-12-2020, 10:03 AM   #3
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Been thinking about this and I just can’t get down with a RB at 32 or even in in the top 50 with a trade down. Perfectly fine with taking one at 63 though.

There’s just too much talent at key positions and this RB class is deep. I think Andy can find that guy in the 2nd or 3rd rd.

Andy has always been able to find RB’s to perform in the later parts of the draft.

Damien Williams-UFA
Spencer Ware-6th rd pick
Kareem Hunt-3rd rd pick
Brian Westbrook-3rd rd pick
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Old 04-12-2020, 10:47 AM   #4
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Most likely it will be CB or LB. Maybe IOL. Anything else would shock me. I have thought of DL but that would only be if Jones is traded.

I don't get why some of you want a RB in the 1st round so badly. That position is devalued and there is countless examples of great RBs drafted in the 2nd round and beyond.

And most of all, you usually want a great RB if you have a game manager. When you have an elite QB like Mahomes, sure you want a solid RB but you don't need any elite RB and the OL is certainly more important.
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Old 04-12-2020, 10:57 AM   #5
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Most likely it will be CB or LB. Maybe IOL. Anything else would shock me. I have thought of DL but that would only be if Jones is traded.

I don't get why some of you want a RB in the 1st round so badly. That position is devalued and there is countless examples of great RBs drafted in the 2nd round and beyond.

And most of all, you usually want a great RB if you have a game manager. When you have an elite QB like Mahomes, sure you want a solid RB but you don't need any elite RB and the OL is certainly more important.
If a RB is truly the best player available to us at our selection, and the Chiefs really really like that player, they should take him.

Is it ideal? No. But it's probably the best option.
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Old 04-12-2020, 12:09 PM   #6
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If a RB is truly the best player available to us at our selection, and the Chiefs really really like that player, they should take him.

Is it ideal? No. But it's probably the best option.
After the top 15 picks...you just want the BPA. If KC has the choice of their 4th rated CB or #1 rated RB...you take a RB.

No one will give a shit about draft position on game day...Speaks was drafted higher than Frank Clark. Tyrann Mathieu was a 3rd rounder...

No team "game plans" around Williams...they did for Hunt. I value a stud RB more than most people as they can take over a game...especially when protecting a lead.

Can you imagine a Charles-level talent in this offense? They already spread a defense about as thin as you can....protecting against the WR speed/Mahomes arm.

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Old 04-12-2020, 11:00 AM   #7
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Most likely it will be CB or LB. Maybe IOL. Anything else would shock me. I have thought of DL but that would only be if Jones is traded.

I don't get why some of you want a RB in the 1st round so badly. That position is devalued and there is countless examples of great RBs drafted in the 2nd round and beyond.

And most of all, you usually want a great RB if you have a game manager. When you have an elite QB like Mahomes, sure you want a solid RB but you don't need any elite RB and the OL is certainly more important.
Didn’t realize how many FA’s we have after this season. Gonna have to start drafting guys to replace some of these guys.

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Old 04-12-2020, 11:29 AM   #8
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Didn’t realize how many FA’s we have after this season. Gonna have to start drafting guys to replace some of these guys.


There are a lot of positions there that dont require major investments, too.

FB and P. TE2. Reserve RB.

Looking at that list, these are “key” positions that they should consider investing in with draft capital (no particular order)

WR
CB
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IOL

They have 2 drafts and 1.5 FA periods
to address those spots. Not something to worry about, IMO.
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Old 04-12-2020, 12:14 PM   #9
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Westbrook, McCoy and Hunt (before the incident) are his best selections by a long shot. But during that time, the Chiefs hit on Larry Johnson and Jamaal Charles, two players that were clearly in the upper echelon of NFL running backs despite spending the majority of their careers on very bad football teams.

This isn't an indictment of Reid but does prove that he's always searching for quality running backs, even if he has a better-than-average starter, which currently, he does not.
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Old 04-12-2020, 11:38 AM   #10
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Been thinking about this and I just can’t get down with a RB at 32 or even in in the top 50 with a trade down. Perfectly fine with taking one at 63 though.

There’s just too much talent at key positions and this RB class is deep. I think Andy can find that guy in the 2nd or 3rd rd.

Andy has always been able to find RB’s to perform in the later parts of the draft.

Damien Williams-UFA
Spencer Ware-6th rd pick
Kareem Hunt-3rd rd pick
Brian Westbrook-3rd rd pick
The debate is how much better and how much more explosive can this offense be with a household name and top tier runner/pass catcher in the backfield. Damien Williams and Spencer Ware are not/were not that caliber of back. If we are being honest with ourselves is Damien Williams even a top 25 back in the league? Andy Reid spent a second rounder (pick 53) on Shady McCoy in 2009 and he just recently made the all decade team. Can you imagine Shady McCoy in his prime years in this offense? If Veach and Reid think that caliber of back is available at pick #32 itd be hard to pass up.
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The debate is how much better and how much more explosive can this offense be with a household name and top tier runner/pass catcher in the backfield. Damien Williams and Spencer Ware are not/were not that caliber of back. If we are being honest with ourselves is Damien Williams even a top 25 back in the league? Andy Reid spent a second rounder (pick 53) on Shady McCoy in 2009 and he just recently made the all decade team. Can you imagine Shady McCoy in his prime years in this offense? If Veach and Reid think that caliber of back is available at pick #32 itd be hard to pass up.
Mccoy is a HOF rb.

The best back in this draft is Swift, imo. After him Dobbins, CEH not too far behind.

I don't think any of these rbs is better than Jacobs last year. Swift might be close.
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The debate is how much better and how much more explosive can this offense be with a household name and top tier runner/pass catcher in the backfield. Damien Williams and Spencer Ware are not/were not that caliber of back. If we are being honest with ourselves is Damien Williams even a top 25 back in the league? Andy Reid spent a second rounder (pick 53) on Shady McCoy in 2009 and he just recently made the all decade team. Can you imagine Shady McCoy in his prime years in this offense? If Veach and Reid think that caliber of back is available at pick #32 itd be hard to pass up.
3rd round prime Jamal Charles would have been incredible.
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Chris Simms recently did a podcast...listed his top 5 RBs. His criteria was who made the most when there wasn't much there.

Clyde Edwards-Helaire was his #1 and said it really wasn't close....Taylor was #2 and Swift was #5.

He said Swift wasn't very effective unless there were giant running lanes...

I dont really watch College football but that seems like a reasonable measuring stick...anyone can run for 15 yards if they arent touched.

Out of curiosity...I watched Helaire's highlights and he looked pretty amazing....that said, he's 209/Taylor is 226 and ran a 4.39... nearly .5 faster than Sammy Watkins.

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Chris Simms recently did a podcast...listed his top 5 RBs. His criteria was who made the most when there wasn't much there.

Clyde Edwards-Helaire was his #1 and said it really wasn't close....Taylor was #2 and Swift was #5.

He said Swift wasn't very effective unless there were giant running lanes...

I dont really watch College football but that seems like a reasonable measuring stick...anyone can run for 15 yards if they arent touched.

Out of curiosity...I watched Helaire's highlights and he looked pretty amazing....that said, he's 209/Taylor is 226 and ran a 4.39... nearly .5 faster than Sammy Watkins.
Nice...he's going to be a killer in this offense.
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Been thinking about this and I just can’t get down with a RB at 32 or even in in the top 50 with a trade down. Perfectly fine with taking one at 63 though.

There’s just too much talent at key positions and this RB class is deep. I think Andy can find that guy in the 2nd or 3rd rd.

Andy has always been able to find RB’s to perform in the later parts of the draft.

Damien Williams-UFA
Spencer Ware-6th rd pick
Kareem Hunt-3rd rd pick
Brian Westbrook-3rd rd pick
Williams has never played in all 16 games in a season in 6 years. Spencer Ware has never been healthy for 16 games in a season.

The Chiefs have jackshit after Williams and there's no guarantee that he'll last 8 games, let alone 16 games. They need a serious upgrade at the RB position, not another guy off the scrap heap.
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