***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Great8]

Originally Posted by Donger

Yes.

Well played

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

Draconian? Strong word when people are dying by the thousands out there.

Just curious how many lives do you think were saved by social distancing?

The point is that the aim is social distancing, and you are hung up on essentiality. They're not the same thing.

If it helps people cope with quarantine measures without violating quarantine aims, then who cares if they use the label 'essential' when they allow it. It's HELPING to REALIZE the PURPOSE.

Even sporadic boundary-pushing, such as some people here and there jogging a little to close together, is likely preferable to fomenting and growing resistance and revolt with overly stringent measures that aren't helping realize the purpose, such as no outdoor movement or home improvement purchases.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by Mecca

The WWE is running with no fans so how is that helping the state?

That answer is political so, cant answer in this thread.

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by Donger

Depends on what?

Variables.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by Mecca

I have injured his feelings.

Nah just pointing out the selective enforcement. You couldn't hurt my feelings, you can't even handle the other forum.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

Variables.

Such as?

[mr. tegu]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Nah just pointing out the selective enforcement. You couldn't hurt my feelings, you can't even handle the other forum.

He has made more political “non political” posts than probably anyone.

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by Donger

Such as?

Bored as I am, I'm not bored enough to indulge your spectrum disorder. Deal with it yourself.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

Bored as I am, I'm not bored enough to indulge your spectrum disorder. Deal with it yourself.

There's nothing to deal with, it seems.

[PAChiefsGuy]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

The point is that the aim is social distancing, and you are hung up on essentiality. They're not the same thing.

If it helps people cope with quarantine measures without violating quarantine aims, then who cares if they use the label 'essential' when they allow it. It's HELPING to REALIZE the PURPOSE.

Even sporadic boundary-pushing, such as some people here and there jogging a little to close together, is likely preferable to fomenting and growing resistance and revolt with overly stringent measures that aren't helping realize the purpose, such as no outdoor movement or home improvement purchases.

I'm not hung up on anything. I was posting the 'essential' merely to JOKE and LAUGH about it.. You are taking my posts about the subject way too seriously. I really don't care how they use that word.

If I'm serious about an issue, and others on here can attest to this, trust me, you'll know.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Nah just pointing out the selective enforcement. You couldn't hurt my feelings, you can't even handle the other forum.

I don't go to the other forum because I heed this advice...

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by mr. tegu

He has made more political “non political” posts than probably anyone.

That, and he's one of the vocal ones about the 'dick-sucking political posting assholes,' and all the impotent hate and disdain he holds for them.

But yeah, everyone else are the emotional ones.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

Exercise is not an essential activity?

I've been walking around my neighborhood since March. I live by the beaches. Never went to the beaches to exercise. Exercise at the beach is not essential. This isnt about us locals. You, me and everyone else knows what this is about, tourism $'s. There are legitimate financial reasons to open the beaches. Lets not pretend its for locals to exercise.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by Mecca

I don't go to the other forum because I heed this advice...

Good for you just keep your political BS out of this thread.

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

I'm not hung up on anything. I was posting the 'essential' merely to JOKE and LAUGH about it.. You are taking my posts about the subject way too seriously. I really don't care how they use that word.

If I'm serious about an issue, and others on here can attest to this, trust me you'll know.

You're doing a little more than that. Every post you've made on this carries a subtext that extending the concept of 'essential' to fit the actual current situation is some kind of failing.

Maybe you don't intend to. Maybe you honestly don't see it, but you come across a lot more 'serious' and critical than your protestations here merit.

Mean, you complained about the evolution of the term, . . . then broke out the 'it's a ***king joke' followed by a dictionary reference to make your point.