***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Merde Furieux]

Originally Posted by Mecca

So **** poor people then?

https://owl.purdue.edu/owl/general_w...fallacies.html

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by Merde Furieux

I do every single time I get behind the wheel of my car and enter traffic. It's called calculated risk. I don't need a bureaucrat or a governor halfwit ordering me to walk everywhere because I might get in a car wreck and kill somebody.

If you kill someone with your car you go to jail.

[Merde Furieux]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Actually it's not, lots of terrible shit people eat is because it's cheap as **** and they got jack shit for money.

Not saying everyone has this excuse, but if you think people who live in poverty eat well, bad news.

They also have way too many kids.

[Merde Furieux]

Originally Posted by Monticore

If you kill someone with your car you go to jail.

That's beside the point. The person I killed is still dead. And that could have been prevented had the King ordered me to stay in my house.

[kgrund]

Originally Posted by Merde Furieux

So your good with the results? 10,000 dead in 1 month. Mitigation works because it would have been...

How many dead without mitigation?

I made no statement about the number of dead in terms of what is "acceptable". What I responded to was what could account for the massive difference between the two. What I said is that population density has to be the #1 factor between the two given the significant disparity between the two regions. Other factors likely come into play as well, but mitigation is not the ONLY factor in play between the two IMO.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

Are we social distancing for those people?

your are saying people should deal with the consequences of their lifestyle choices. The Virus is affecting both these demographics in different ways but you only offer your sympathy to one side.

[IowaHawkeyeChief]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Dude seriously take yourself back to your little hangout as I've literally never seen you post anything else of substance here ever. It's sorta nice you felt the urge to crawl out of the hole to see what the rest of the world is like here on Chiefsplanet, but I think it's about time for that to be over now.

I don't feel the need to have to engage with your dumbass in the lounge, nor do I think many others do either.

In fairness, I haven't seen anyone mentioning a politician or making a pure political statement in this thread the last few pages... (shit, I even agreed with Lone) You may not like what is being said, but it doesn't appear to be political. As more studies and models are done, it is apparent that the deaths and hospitalization are effecting those with underlying conditions and/or older, 65+, at great disparity. While I think it was right to take some of the measures early, with the unknown CFR/IFR, it is now time to figure out how to protect the vulnerable as they stay somewhat isolated, while at the same time allowing those at low risk for hospitalization and death to be able to get back to work and live their lives while practicing common sense and social distancing.

This thread can stay apolitical without it becoming an echo chamber for one voice.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Actually it's not, lots of terrible shit people eat is because it's cheap as **** and they got jack shit for money.

Not saying everyone has this excuse, but if you think people who live in poverty eat well, bad news.

Yea this is BS. Being obese is much more about quantity than quality and topped with lack of exercise.

Let me give you an example -


You know those badass Popeye's chicken sandwiches? 700cal and about $5. You could eat 3 a day @2100cal total for $15 and exercise a little and be just fine.

Now if you add in the large fries and regular coke you just tripled the calories.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by Merde Furieux

That's beside the point. The person I killed is still dead. And that could have been prevented had the King ordered me to stay in my house.

Does the car you hit then go hit another car and then another one and then another one, and so on while also putting the EMT, doctors, nurses at risk as well.

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by Monticore

If you kill someone with your car you go to jail.

Only if you proximately cause their death through negligence, recklessness, or malicious action.

But the mere act of operating motor vehicles en masse raises the risk of nonculpable death and/or injury, compared to staying still or pedestrian travel.

[Bwana]

Over/Under on how many people get booted out of this thread today? I'll go with 2.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by Monticore

Does the car you hit then go hit another car and then another one and then another one, and so on while also putting the EMT, doctors, nurses at risk as well.

Why are they laying off medical staff all over the country right now?

[Three7s]

So, the last two days have been interesting for me after all that I've learned about this virus. On Wednesday morning, I woke up and had a pounding headache. I figured it was just congestion and that it was nothing that a hot shower couldn't fix.

I was half-right in that the shower did alleviate the headache, but it wasn't long before I became very congested again. Still, it isn't the first time I've dealt with this, so I didn't think much of it. Well, after going to bed that night, I woke up after about three hours with a horrific sore throat and congestion deep in my throat, most likely from post nasal drip., along with some pretty bad chills.

After waking up from that, I couldn't really sleep for awhile, but did eventually fall back asleep for a few hours. When I woke up, I, actually, felt really good until about noon. Then the chills and sweaty palms starting taking over. And I'm not talking normal chills. I'm talking chills bad enough to make me think I'm walking around naked in the arctic despite the temperature being 72 degrees with pants and a hoodie on. That, along with the constantly sweaty palms and burning eyes were absolutely brutal.

The chills and burning eyes were a pretty consistent theme yesterday, but nothing much other than that. No fever, no fatigue, no muscle aches, no cough or anything like that. I went to bed and woke up this morning and I feel 10x better, which is hard to believe myself. Zero chills, very minor sore throat and congestion. I still have the burning eyes, which is most likely pink eye, which was probably me being an idiot and rubbing my eyes with whatever virus that was on my hands, which started that two day mess.

After all that, I have no idea if I had COVID19 or not, but I guess I'll find out soon since one part of this virus is that it likes to make people think it's gone only to come back way worse than before after a couple of days, which is what I'm waiting for at this point. Either way, I figured you guys might be interested in this since there aren't a ton of details on the life-cycle on how this virus might start and end, assuming I even have it.

[notorious]

Originally Posted by Bwana

Over/Under on how many people get booted out of this thread today? I'll go with 2.

[FloridaMan88]

Originally Posted by Monticore

your are saying people should deal with the consequences of their lifestyle choices. The Virus is affecting both these demographics in different ways but you only offer your sympathy to one side.

I am saying that people shouldn't have to deal with the consequences of bad lifestyle choices that other people make.

90% of the people getting hospitalized with COVID-19 complications have underlying health conditions and the vast majority of those health conditions are from bad lifestyle choices (hypertension, diabetes... 95% of diabetics have the Type II/lifestyle-caused version, and obesity).

We are all social distancing and shutting down the economy to protect hospital capacity for those selfish people.