Call Your Shot: Who’s the Chiefs first selection in the 2020 Draft

[staylor26]

I’m going with Kristian Fulton, CB, LSU

[RUSH]

Originally Posted by OKchiefs

Past tendencies don't mean squat. They're well aware how bad our linebacking corp has continued to be, and they did unfortunately spend a 3rd on DOD a couple of years ago. If they'll spend a 3rd on him, there's no reason to believe they wouldn't spend a higher pick on a superior player.

They also haven't spent much draft capital high in the draft on interior OL or cornerback, but that doesn't mean they don't value them or never will. It's a mistake to read too much into past draft history.

Doesn't mean squat? It's over 20 years of data.

And Reid's teams have spent multiple 1s on CBs and interior OL so that's wrong. Peters, Watkins, Sheppard, Andrews. Plus we have this quote which remains just as relevant.

Andy Reid told Philadelphia, I want two offensive tackles, a quarterback, two pass rushers, two corners, and I’ll figure the rest out.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2016/01/19/nf...-jenny-vrentas

They may take an off ball LB at 32 because I don't expect them to have rigid rules to never do it but there's going to be a ton of good players available at other positions we know he and Veach have shown to value highly. It seems more like a team building philosophy to me and I personally dont think it should be discounted.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

Nate Taylor did put out a story back in March that the Chiefs would look hard for a coverage LB either via FA or the draft — originally reported by Adam Caplan IIRC. Well, we didn’t get one in FA, so I think it’s highly likely they draft one early. Especially since it would appear they are moving Wilson back to SAM.

Biggest hole on the roster right now. We literally don’t have a starter there. Just not sure we can afford to wait too long.

Most of the quality LB’s could be gone by the time we pick in rd 3.

[staylor26]

Also, we had Derrick Johnson for a good chunk of Reid’s tenure.

That could have something to do with it....

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

I’ve come around to really believe that so much of a QBs long-term success comes down to organizational fit. Very few can excel about anywhere they go. I think Mahomes would be incredible no matter where he got picked, but there’s no way he’s this guy right now had he been picked by Jacksonville.

If a guy like Love or Eason gets scooped up by New Orleans, I like their chances of becoming at least quality starters. Most teams though, that’s probably not going to be the case for them unfortunately.

Eason, maybe.

Love needs a more balls/bust setup, IMO. Precision passing offenses are bad for guys w/ erratic arms because you get all the risk of an errant pass but little of the reward that comes w/ the big arm.

That's why Brees is a perfect fit in NO but may not have worked as well elsewhere.

Love is a LETTER perfect fit for Arians in TB. A deep pass is just as likely to be inaccurate as a short pass with a guy like that but an accurate one yields a lot more benefit (and the detriment of a deep interception is less than a short one). Love needs a downfield passing offense w/ guys with ball skills like Evans and Godwin.

I know 2 years is awhile to wait but he needs at least 1 year of seasoning before he's remotely ready to contribute. In year 2 he could be a viable backup and by year 3 Brady will be retired and Love can step in as the starter. They'll have him under team control for 3 seasons after that.

Now - there's no way that'll happen. Brady would have kittens if he showed up to a team that immediately used their best asset on his replacement instead of someone that can help him in his last ride. And 14 is too early anyway and it's damn dangerous to risk a trade-back into the late 20s because you think Love will fall...only to see him potentially not fall.

But if they used that 45 and maybe a 2 next year or this year's 3rd (76) they can maybe get into range.

So lets say TB uses 14 on Wills or Thomas to protect Brady then use this year's 2 and next year's 2 (which won't provide an immediate benefit to TB12 anyway) to get into range for Love - well that might actually make some sense.

[staylor26]

I think people like pugs make the Love/Saints connections because of their love for Mahomes in 2017.

They just missed out at 11, so even if Love isn’t Mahomes, maybe they can’t resist if Love falls into their lap at 24.

[RUSH]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Also, we had Derrick Johnson for a good chunk of Reid’s tenure.

That could have something to do with it....

Inherited and what have they done at the position since he left? Hitchens was a FA.

And what about in Philly? They basically had shit at LB his entire tenure and it was revolving door every year. Hard to sell that all of this history is a coincidence.

[VAGOMO 4 LIFE!]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Biggest hole on the roster right now. We literally don’t have a starter there. Just not sure we can afford to wait too long.

Most of the quality LB’s could be gone by the time we pick in rd 3.

Right now Niemann is the starting LB. he did ball out in the super bowl tho

[Chief Northman]

On roster:

Darius Harris
Anthony Hitchens
Ben Niemann
Dorian O’Daniel
Emmanuel Smith (PS)
Damien Wilson

Gone:

Reggie Ragland
Darron Lee

- I would not be shocked if the Chiefs come away from the draft with multiple linebackers especially if you include undrafted free agents. Spagnuolo had his hands full trying to fit square pegs in round holes last year, when it became evident that there was not a reliable Will linebacker on the roster, and Damien Wilson had to be moved around. The Darron Lee acquisition was fruitless and although he had a better 2019, Anthony Hitchens still needs to be more consistent given the amount of resources he uses up on the cap.

Depending on the personnel that the Chiefs faced, Ragland sometimes did not see many snaps as he is limited in what he can do in a scheme, but everybody knew he was always a thumper and with him leaving, one could argue that the Chiefs might be looking forward to not only finding a true Will linebacker, but preparing for the future to get a true Mike linebacker in the shuffle as well. I am not confident the Chiefs will bring back Hitchens at a double digit salary per annum.

Some are suggesting that the Chiefs might go with a higher rated safety/hybrid prospect to take on that coverage linebacker role, and I think this might be wise in that you don’t want the Chiefs chasing a specific type of role player at linebacker and having to reach for a guy, when there is greater talent available when you pick, let alone considering how few picks the Chiefs have.

Guys like Malik Harrison and Jordyn Brooks project to be damn good linebackers as pros and it would be a shame to snub them for the sake of chasing a certain scheme fit type of backer that arguably is a lesser athlete. I would not be shocked if the Chiefs draft more of a Mike type run thumper/blitzer and maybe dip into the DB class and look at some of the hybrid safety types to hedge against coverage concerns.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Originally Posted by staylor26

I think people like pugs make the Love/Saints connections because of their love for Mahomes in 2017.

They just missed out at 11, so even if Love isn’t Mahomes, maybe they can’t resist if Love falls into their lap at 24.

Yep, plus we know this is Brees’ final year.

Not saying Love is Mahomes or even close — but the playing styles are closer than other QBs in this class.

[Pitt Gorilla]

Originally Posted by Chief Northman

On roster:

Darius Harris
Anthony Hitchens
Ben Niemann
Dorian O’Daniel
Emmanuel Smith (PS)
Damien Wilson

Gone:

Reggie Ragland
Darron Lee

- I would not be shocked if the Chiefs come away from the draft with multiple linebackers especially if you include undrafted free agents. Spagnuolo had his hands full trying to fit square pegs in round holes last year, when it became evident that there was not a reliable Will linebacker on the roster, and Damien Wilson had to be moved around. The Darron Lee acquisition was fruitless and although he had a better 2019, Anthony Hitchens still needs to be more consistent given the amount of resources he uses up on the cap.

Depending on the personnel that the Chiefs faced, Ragland sometimes did not see many snaps as he is limited in what he can do in a scheme, but everybody knew he was always a thumper and with him leaving, one could argue that the Chiefs might be looking forward to not only finding a true Will linebacker, but preparing for the future to get a true Mike linebacker in the shuffle as well. I am not confident the Chiefs will bring back Hitchens at a double digit salary per annum.

Some are suggesting that the Chiefs might go with a higher rated safety/hybrid prospect to take on that coverage linebacker role, and I think this might be wise in that you don’t want the Chiefs chasing a specific type of role player at linebacker and having to reach for a guy, when there is greater talent available when you pick, let alone considering how few picks the Chiefs have.

Guys like Malik Harrison and Jordyn Brooks project to be damn good linebackers as pros and it would be a shame to snub them for the sake of chasing a certain scheme fit type of backer that arguably is a lesser athlete. I would not be shocked if the Chiefs draft more of a Mike type run thumper/blitzer and maybe dip into the DB class and look at some of the hybrid safety types to hedge against coverage concerns.

Sorensen is essentially a coverage backer at this point.

[BryanBusby]

Originally Posted by staylor26

I think people like pugs make the Love/Saints connections because of their love for Mahomes in 2017.

They just missed out at 11, so even if Love isn’t Mahomes, maybe they can’t resist if Love falls into their lap at 24.

I think they really really like Taysom Hill for whatever reason. I don't see the Saints taking a QB.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by staylor26

I think people like pugs make the Love/Saints connections because of their love for Mahomes in 2017.

They just missed out at 11, so even if Love isn’t Mahomes, maybe they can’t resist if Love falls into their lap at 24.

I think Payton loved Mahomes because he saw what Reid saw - a prodigy.

I don't think it was the high-flying play-maker appeal that Payton to Mahomes, it was the potential to be the baddest MFer on the planet.

Even the biggest supporters of Love have to recognize that his upside isn't Mahomes - it's Jay Cutler. It might eventually someday become Matthew Stafford. And you can win with that. But I don't think that's ultimately the kind of QB that actually appeals to Payton.

[Mecca]

There are some weird reports out there that Jordyn Brooks could be the first LB taken after Simmons if you buy into "team chatter" reports.

[crispystl]

Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

HB J.K. Dobbins
I just see him as an ideal fit for our offense. He’s a stout workhorse, who can take some pressure off of Mahomes and keep the chains moving. Our running game has struggled mightily and not only would he improve the run game, but he’s also good in the passing game. Another dynamic Weapon for this offense will have us running on all cylinders, which helps the defense, as well. This kid should be lights out for us and keep DC’s up at night. I think we have a legit shot to get him and I think a move like that puts us in the driver’s seat for the foreseeable future.

Yeah I’m leaning towards Dobbins too. He would be an amazing addition to this offense. It wouldn’t even be fair to defenses.


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[OKchiefs]

Originally Posted by RUSH

Inherited and what have they done at the position since he left? Hitchens was a FA.

And what about in Philly? They basically had shit at LB his entire tenure and it was revolving door every year. Hard to sell that all of this history is a coincidence.

Jeremiah Trotter, he was pretty damn good.