***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Excuse me, yesterday was the first time......

Probably because I just started looking at the trends.

I just posted the numbers and it’s easy to see.


And the simple explanation is that everything isn’t getting reported on the weekends.

[SAUTO]

We will see what happens tomorrow. Hopefully it continues down.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

Probably because I just started looking at the trends.

I just posted the numbers and it’s easy to see

Still anecdotal. It could be coinkydink. There very well could be a substantial reason other than "it's Sunday and Monday". I haven't heard of anything substantiating that.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by loochy

It's not weird. Something happened with the reporting. Duh.

Oh well okay Mr. I Got It Figured Out!!!

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by TLO

I've said this a few times but the Missouri DHSS has say always lagged behind other sites in the numbers of deaths. You'd think they'd be the ones with the most up to date info, but

They seem to be petty good about the number of positive cases and tests run though.

No, no..something happened with the reporting, obviously

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Still anecdotal. It could be coinkydink. There very well could be a substantial reason other than "it's Sunday and Monday". I haven't heard of anything substantiating that.

You said yourself those numbers are a day behind. Makes sense that everyone isn’t reporting correctly on the weekends.

That’s a pretty substantial reason.


Use some common sense here

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

You said yourself those numbers are a day behind. Makes sense that everyone isn’t reporting correctly on the weekends.

That’s a pretty substantial reason.


Use some common sense here

I said the numbers for NY appear to be a day behind. Not the entire country. And until we know for sure it's nothing more than speculation.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by petegz28

I said the numbers for NY appear to be a day behind. Not the entire country. And until we know for sure it's nothing more than speculation.

so you think those mo numbers are all from so far today?


You’re crazy if so.


Maybe this is the week it just continually goes down but at this point it appears to just be following the trends from the last month. I mean sooner or later you’ll be all “it’s going down!!!” On a Sunday and it will continue and you’ll be right.

But you’ve said the same things for a month of Sundays and haven’t been right yet.

[SAUTO]

It’s hilarious that we’ve had almost this exact same conversation on the 6th, the 13th, and now on the 20th

[eDave]

Same discussion, different day.

Edit: SAUTO beat me too it.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

so you think those mo numbers are all from so far today?


You’re crazy if so.


Maybe this is the week it just continually goes down but at this point it appears to just be following the trends from the last month. I mean sooner or later you’ll be all “it’s going down!!!” On a Sunday and it will continue and you’ll be right.

But you’ve said the same things for a month of Sundays and haven’t been right yet.

Where did I say they were all for today? Where did I ever say that? I clarified what I did say. That does mean I said anything else about it one way or the other. ****, man.

I mean if you are so right then I am sure it will be easy for you to find transcripts of Cuomo or Fauci or Birx or Trump saying "well those numbers were from Sunday and Monday so they are going to be lower and not accurate".

You keep moving the goal posts. It was Sundays until yesterday because you suddenly had to throw in Mondays. Then you didn't want to go back into March because some reason or another.

[SAUTO]

In fact Pete I know that those MO numbers are behind.


Our health department notified everyone when we got our first positive case in the county.

It didn’t show up for 2 days on the mo health site.

Pettis county took a day to update to 13. I know 2 of those and they told me they tested positive the day before.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Where did I say they were all for today? Where did I ever say that? I clarified what I did say. That does mean I said anything else about it one way or the other. ****, man.

I mean if you are so right then I am sure it will be easy for you to find transcripts of Cuomo or Fauci or Birx or Trump saying "well those numbers were from Sunday and Monday so they are going to be lower and not accurate".

You keep moving the goal posts. It was Sundays until yesterday because you suddenly had to throw in Mondays. Then you didn't want to go back into March because some reason or another.

Well you just said that we didn’t know if they were behind a day... right? Where else are they from?

Why do I need those people to tell me about the numbers and trends I can see for myself easily.

Why don’t you go back through March and post up the numbers? I mean there were under 40 deaths a day throughout most of the month. Not sure what those numbers would tell you .

I threw in Monday’s yesterday because I LOOKED at the numbers and realized what was happening. It’s obvious. Well to everyone but you I guess...

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

In fact Pete I know that those MO numbers are behind.


Our health department notified everyone when we got our first positive case in the county.

It didn’t show up for 2 days on the mo health site.

Pettis county took a day to update to 13. I know 2 of those and they told me they tested positive the day before.

And? Did they blame it on Sunday and Monday?

You're inventing an argument now for some reason. I never said the numbers were not behind. What I did say about that I said only about NY and didn't say one way or the other for the rest of the country.

[ghak99]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

It’s hilarious that we’ve had almost this exact same conversation on the 6th, the 13th, and now on the 20th

I often find myself scrolling to see what page of the thread I'm on when it happens.

It's also made me realize how fast time is flying. Every 3rd day feels like a Sunday. Stop this shit before I get old dammit!