*****2020 NFL DRAFT THREAD - NO SPOILERS*****

[Dante84]

Version 2020 - WORLD CHAMPION EDITION

We are now within 24 hours - Cincinnati is on the clock.

Let's ****ing do this.

Rules:
1. No spoiled picks in this thread, all weekend. This means that as tweets are leaking picks a few minutes before the selection is announced live, you don't post it in this thread (ex: embedded tweets), reference it in this thread (ex: Joe Slapdick says it's So and So to Green Bay) or hint at it (ex: "it's a RB!").

2. Don't be a dick.

Otherwise, have fun, talk shit, freak out and lose your goddamned minds. It's Draft Weekend. The hot takes in these threads are so funny. I'll also be starting player threads for each of our picks as they are made, with videos and notable stats/takes in the OP. Pure knee jerk gold to reference in the future.


Here is our current pick order:

• Round 1: Pick No. 32: CLYDE EDWARDS-HELAIRE, RB, LSU
• Round 2: Pick No. 63: WILLIE GAY, JR, LB, MISS. STATE
• Round 3: Pick No. 96: LUCAS NIANG, OL, TCU
• Round 4: Pick No. 138: L'JARIUS SNEED, DB, LA. TECH
• Round 5: Pick No. 177: MIKE DANNA, DE, MICHIGAN
• Round 6: No Picks
• Round 7: Pick No. 237: THAKARIUS BOPETE KEYES, CB, Tulane

Here is a list of the prospects the Chiefs have shown interest in this year.

View the 2019 Draft thread here
View the 2018 Draft thread here
View the 2017 Draft thread here

Time to grind! pic.twitter.com/FGn916qBq1

— Kansas City Chiefs (@Chiefs) April 24, 2020

[fredflintrock]

Originally Posted by frozenchief

Thanks for questions and reading posts and replying. I think my position started to develop when I got football Outsiders 2010 edition. They really reviewed evidence and talked about what worked and what didn’t. Each year, they’re the best statistical analysis of the NFL. The problem, though, is that statistics usually deals with percentages. So should a coach go for it on 4th down? If there are less than 3 yards to go, or if they are inside the opponents 45, the answer is almost always “yes”.

If a coach should go for it on 4th down and they do but fail, most fans boo the coach. “He’s an idiot.” Maybe he had a 90% chance of making it. That by necessity means 1 out of 10 chances will fail. Those who don’t understand math will boo the choice because it did not work. ThE value of a decision, though, is not if it works but what went into the decision. In the above decision, going for it is the right decision irrespective of whether yOu make it. Going for it will add more EPA than not.

In hE same way, the choice tto run the ball in today’s NFL is like punting inside the opponent’s 35 yard line. Sure, it’s a choice but it ultimately costs you points. Does this mean you never run? No, but would you draft a punter? There are tImes to punt. Doesn’t mean you draft a punter. Thre are times to run. Doesn’t mean you draft an RB, especially in the first round. Saying this guy is BPA is like saying a punter is BPA, in my opinion. Doesn’t mean we don’t need a RB. Doesn’t mean he won’t help. But even if we do not sign him to a second year contract, we will spend a ton on him as a first round draft choice under the current salary scale. And that is money we can put to someone who plays a position that, as a whole, generates more EPA.

I fully recognize most will disagree with me. And I’ve had a couple of drinks after a very frustrating week, so I undoubtedly come across stronger than I realize. But this is a waste of a draft pick to me. We could have gotten better value even in
Other positions if for no other reason than RBs are among the least valuable players anymore in terms of value added. CMC ran for thousands of yards. How many games did Carolina win? How many times was his play the difference? His draft in such a high place was a mistake. A second contract at that level was a mistake. I don’t want to see KC lose a valuable draft pick for production that can come far more cheaply.

Once again, thanks for the response enjoy the thought out analysis. When you mention going for it on 4th down, I immediately thought of the high school coach in I think it's Arkansas that goes for it on 4th always. Granted it is high school and if I remember correctly it might be a private school so chances are they are probably getting some elite athletes which at that level can overcome a lot.
I also think back to the Ravens game and some of the calls that Harbaugh made and then backed it up with analytics afterward in the post game press conference. Not going back to break it all down, but my mind says there were some questionable decisions, maybe the numbers back him up, but the situation also has to come into play. Did that affect the outcome, hard to tell, cause we have Mahomes, but I think failing on some of those calls can certainly take the wind out of the players sails and shift momentum because they aren't just another play, emotions come into play, and I believe momentum is real....some don't. See 4th quarter of the Super Bowl.
Sucks you had a frustrating week, and then get kicked in the balls here, but things are looking up, where I'm at its Friday already which means, more drinks tomorrow..errrr TODAY and we have a couple more picks you can come on here and rile people up!!
I'll agree with CMC picked just based on where he was picked, along with Barkley, and Elliot, but with no sports, I'm going to be excited about CEH and binge watch some more highlights. And for the record, I hope you are wrong.....because Chiefs.

Not to give people more ammo to fire upon you, and I don't know if you're big draft breakdown guy, but did you have names, not just positions that you identified that you would have taken? Don't think saying trade down is really fair, considering we took a running back, I assume they were probably trying to do that but couldn't find a partner.

Anyway, appreciate your time, and your tact, I will say that I saw your post about jury selection and not picking female nurses so I'm going to guess you are a lawyer. I am always amazed at some of the people that get selected for a jury and some of the people I've been on juries with. Honestly I think I would rather eat a bullet if I ever did anything where I have to go on trial with the possibility of prison time rather than have some of the dolts I have served with. Kinda like politics you just have to play to there feelings....facts, what facts. I'm one of those weird people that absolutely loves jury duty. I've told people that if I'm poor in retirement and need free entertainment I would love to go to the courthouse and sit in on cases. I was on Federal jury duty one time when I lived in Kansas City and got called when the Ford Motor Company overtime fraud (mail and I believe wire) came up for trial. Didn't make the jury, but I was working a second shift job at the time so I showed up for probably the first week or so of testimony, I would have to leave when they broke for lunch. I was like a celebrity when I would show up and on breaks, the defendants would give me the head nod and big smiles, one side or the other would come back to me and ask my opinion on how things were going and what my thoughts were.
It was interesting. Funny thing was, during jury selection they made everyone who had raised their hand that knew anything about the case go one by one back into chambers get questioned both sides and the judge. Crazy long voir dire! I was in my early 20's at the time, worked a manufacturing job with overtime just like this case. When the judge asked me what I knew about the case I said I had read about it in the paper and my co-workers and I had talked about it. When he asked what we talked about, with a straight face I said we talked about if we could get our boss to put us in for some fake overtime like they were accused of, if we kicked him back some money like this case. The entire room erupted, the 3 defendants damn near fell out of their chair, lawyers on both side were trying to stifle their laughs, but not the judge, he was staring me down. Of course I'm laughing at this point and trying to explain that I wasn't being a smart ass, that's what we jokingly talked about. Anyway, sorry for the long rambling story. Have a great weekend.

[kccrow]

I've been holding off posting on this pick because I haven't been sure on how to process it.

Am I pissed? No.

I think, when you line up all the running backs in this draft there were two guys that jumped out as the absolute best fits for Kansas City and those to me were JK Dobbins and Clyde Edwards-Helaire. So, in terms of what the Chiefs got in a player here, he's as good of a RB as you could probably ask for.

If the Chiefs think the best use of draft resources is a RB then they made a stellar pick using that resource. CEH is a very good RB and you have to love his ability to be a receiver out of the backfield. He has good vision and picks through the trash on outside zone runs to quickly find the crease he needs, plus he has good initial burst through the line to hit the second level.

What we know without a doubt is KC had to upgrade the running back stable at some point in this draft, so they did exactly that. I do support continued provision of weapons to Mahomes and this offense, and CEH certainly provides a safety net that wasn't always available to him last season.

Am I happy? Not especially.

I'm not a fan of using 1st round picks on RBs. I'm not even a fan of using 2nd round picks on RBs. So, the fact that KC did that bothers me. I don't think it's the ideal use of draft resources. It's a time-tested reality that RBs add little overall value in terms of expected win points and it's also reality that RBs are easy to find as values throughout the latter half of the draft.

What's more is I look at what was on the board versus other team needs and I can't help but point to guys like Yetur Gross-Matos, AJ Epenesa, Trevon Diggs, Zack Baun, Denzel Mims, Kristian Fulton, Xavier McKinney, and Jaylon Johnson and ask how one of those guys weren't more valuable at this point. I question the theory of "Best Player Available" because I don't think that's clearly the situation.

The saving grace at this point for me is that it seems like you just know a guy is going to fall to 63 that maybe was a 1st round talent, but the QB rush is over and now teams are going to hone in. Hopefully, there's a big push for RBs like Swift, Dobbins, Taylor, Akers, and so forth at the top of the 2nd that pushes more guys down as values.

[Coochie liquor]

Originally Posted by Mecca

CEH also has spent considerable time lined up wide, it's good he's comfortable with that.

That’ll work well for when we move Tyreek to RB.

[Red Dawg]

Veach has earned our trust but and RB? Not our number one need. With that said the kid is explosive and can catch.

[Demonpenz]

Darwin Thompson out the door then?

[Dunerdr]

Originally Posted by kccrow

I've been holding off posting on this pick because I haven't been sure on how to process it.

Am I pissed? No.

I think, when you line up all the running backs in this draft there were two guys that jumped out as the absolute best fits for Kansas City and those to me were JK Dobbins and Clyde Edwards-Helaire. So, in terms of what the Chiefs got in a player here, he's as good of a RB as you could probably ask for.

If the Chiefs think the best use of draft resources is a RB then they made a stellar pick using that resource. CEH is a very good RB and you have to love his ability to be a receiver out of the backfield. He has good vision and picks through the trash on outside zone runs to quickly find the crease he needs, plus he has good initial burst through the line to hit the second level.

And 32 is basically a second rounder, so that takes some sting out of it. And the raiders taking Damon Arnette, makes me say well it could be worse.
What we know without a doubt is KC had to upgrade the running back stable at some point in this draft, so they did exactly that. I do support continued provision of weapons to Mahomes and this offense, and CEH certainly provides a safety net that wasn't always available to him last season.

Am I happy? Not especially.

I'm not a fan of using 1st round picks on RBs. I'm not even a fan of using 2nd round picks on RBs. So, the fact that KC did that bothers me. I don't think it's the ideal use of draft resources. It's a time-tested reality that RBs add little overall value in terms of expected win points and it's also reality that RBs are easy to find as values throughout the latter half of the draft.

What's more is I look at what was on the board versus other team needs and I can't help but point to guys like Yetur Gross-Matos, AJ Epenesa, Trevon Diggs, Zack Baun, Denzel Mims, Kristian Fulton, Xavier McKinney, and Jaylon Johnson and ask how one of those guys weren't more valuable at this point. I question the theory of "Best Player Available" because I don't think that's clearly the situation.

The saving grace at this point for me is that it seems like you just know a guy is going to fall to 63 that maybe was a 1st round talent, but the QB rush is over and now teams are going to hone in. Hopefully, there's a big push for RBs like Swift, Dobbins, Taylor, Akers, and so forth at the top of the 2nd that pushes more guys down as values.

I have to think that when Damien was hurt, and Shady hit skid row they decided it was time to address the posistion with their guy. It's a bit of a head scratcher but he is a true talent so its hard to be "mad".

[Mecca]

Bryce Hall may make it to our 3rd round pick, he's tall which makes him kinda stiff and tight and he's coming off an injury teams didn't get to really look at much.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by kccrow

I've been holding off posting on this pick because I haven't been sure on how to process it.

Am I pissed? No.

I think, when you line up all the running backs in this draft there were two guys that jumped out as the absolute best fits for Kansas City and those to me were JK Dobbins and Clyde Edwards-Helaire. So, in terms of what the Chiefs got in a player here, he's as good of a RB as you could probably ask for.

If the Chiefs think the best use of draft resources is a RB then they made a stellar pick using that resource. CEH is a very good RB and you have to love his ability to be a receiver out of the backfield. He has good vision and picks through the trash on outside zone runs to quickly find the crease he needs, plus he has good initial burst through the line to hit the second level.

What we know without a doubt is KC had to upgrade the running back stable at some point in this draft, so they did exactly that. I do support continued provision of weapons to Mahomes and this offense, and CEH certainly provides a safety net that wasn't always available to him last season.

Am I happy? Not especially.

I'm not a fan of using 1st round picks on RBs. I'm not even a fan of using 2nd round picks on RBs. So, the fact that KC did that bothers me. I don't think it's the ideal use of draft resources. It's a time-tested reality that RBs add little overall value in terms of expected win points and it's also reality that RBs are easy to find as values throughout the latter half of the draft.

What's more is I look at what was on the board versus other team needs and I can't help but point to guys like Yetur Gross-Matos, AJ Epenesa, Trevon Diggs, Zack Baun, Denzel Mims, Kristian Fulton, Xavier McKinney, and Jaylon Johnson and ask how one of those guys weren't more valuable at this point. I question the theory of "Best Player Available" because I don't think that's clearly the situation.

The saving grace at this point for me is that it seems like you just know a guy is going to fall to 63 that maybe was a 1st round talent, but the QB rush is over and now teams are going to hone in. Hopefully, there's a big push for RBs like Swift, Dobbins, Taylor, Akers, and so forth at the top of the 2nd that pushes more guys down as values.

This is kinda where I’m at.

Granted, they obviously have a better feel for any of us in value and where guys are likely to go so if they had to take CeH here to get him, ok.

I’m guessing they know one of the other guys they like will be there at 63 so hopefully it works out

[O.city]

We think McKinney or Johnson would have been the better pick, but if they end up with one of them in the 2nd it will just reinforce that they have a good idea on where guys are valued.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by O.city

We think McKinney or Johnson would have been the better pick, but if they end up with one of them in the 2nd it will just reinforce that they have a good idea on where guys are valued.

I can understand that but something to remember, we are always going to be an offensive heavy team. The last thing you wanna do is have Pat end up like Rodgers where he loses all his weapons and he is stuck trying to play with piles of shit at the skill positions.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Mecca

I can understand that but something to remember, we are always going to be an offensive heavy team. The last thing you wanna do is have Pat end up like Rodgers where he loses all his weapons and he is stuck trying to play with piles of shit at the skill positions.

Yep

I get it. I might have gone a different direction but it makes sense. It’s also a (hopefully) really good weapon for 4 years and about 10 million dollars. If we paid a good free agent running back that we’d be happy imo

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by OrtonsPiercedTaint

Since we have Kermit and Robin. There is Miss Piggy & Animal

Yeah, but we need a Dr. Teeth!!!!!! We better pick one or Veach sucks!

[Chargem]

I was far too tired to process this last night, but on reflection, I think I mostly mirror KCCrow's thoughts.

Does this make the Chiefs better? Yes, it really does. At the end of the day, that's what you're aiming for in the draft. The fact that he's capable of having an impact in the pass game is really the selling point for me, As the Chiefs are going to passing the ball two thirds of the time regardless of who the running back is.

There was no "slam dunk" other pick that I would have taken over a RB, people have already mentioned Mims, Fulton, Epenesa, McKinney, Delpit etc. Those were all intriguing options as well and I wouldn't have minded any of them.

Where Fulton will go is the interesting one for me now, as he was very high up a lot of boards.

[Ebolapox]

Originally Posted by RealSNR

Yeah, but we need a Dr. Teeth!!!!!! We better pick one or Veach sucks!

I mean..........

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by Chargem

I was far too tired to process this last night, but on reflection, I think I mostly mirror KCCrow's thoughts.

Does this make the Chiefs better? Yes, it really does. At the end of the day, that's what you're aiming for in the draft. The fact that he's capable of having an impact in the pass game is really the selling point for me, As the Chiefs are going to passing the ball two thirds of the time regardless of who the running back is.

There was no "slam dunk" other pick that I would have taken over a RB, people have already mentioned Mims, Fulton, Epenesa, McKinney, Delpit etc. Those were all intriguing options as well and I wouldn't have minded any of them.

Where Fulton will go is the interesting one for me now, as he was very high up a lot of boards.

There's a lot of CB's and Fulton is not flashy nor does he have eye popping physical numbers so it makes sense.