***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[LiveSteam]

How is the herd mentality in here today?

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by WhawhaWhat

Seen a COVID-19 swab-test performed? Now ya have... pic.twitter.com/20iHTb8aVu

— Rex Chapman���� (@RexChapman) April 28, 2020

I've said it before, and I'll say it again.

This might explain my false negative. Nurse shoved it in and pulled it right back out. No waiting, no twisting.

I can't help but wonder how much of the 30-35% of false negatives are due to faulty tests and/or test error.

[jdubya]

As a throat ca patient I see the surgeon every 3 months for routine check up. I get a camera shoved in my nose that travels to the back of my throat and it is bigger than that swab. Annoying and creepy as heck but it doesnt hurt.....

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by TLO

I NEED SOMEONE TO BE OUTRAGED BY THIS WITH ME

I wont go into too much detail because we get into political territory but did you happen to see that article where the NYT sat in with someone from the Kansas City Core 4 and what the mayor of KC was saying? It's a fascinating contrast.

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by TLO

I NEED SOMEONE TO BE OUTRAGED BY THIS WITH ME

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15

I've said it before, and I'll say it again.

This might explain my false negative. Nurse shoved it in and pulled it right back out. No waiting, no twisting.

I can't help but wonder how much of the 30-35% of false negatives are due to faulty tests and/or test error.

So when you were going through what you went through did they ever say what it possibly could have been?

Dont get me wrong I respect the hell out of doctors but I have eczema. I spent literally thousands in trips when I was uninsured I saw walk in drs who gave me stuff didnt work, visited the ER several times for infections, it wasnt until the last ER trip where I was hospitalized with a nasty infection that I was finally able to see a renouned specialist and he was able to accurately diagnose and treat me within 15 minutes. It literally left the other folks stumped for damn near 3 years.

[prhom]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15

I've said it before, and I'll say it again.

This might explain my false negative. Nurse shoved it in and pulled it right back out. No waiting, no twisting.

I can't help but wonder how much of the 30-35% of false negatives are due to faulty tests and/or test error.

It’s ironic to me that it’s that hard to do the swab test right, but a little coughing and breathing results in virus going everywhere. Seems like you should be able to cough on a swab and it would be good to go with plenty of virus.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by Titty Meat

So when you were going through what you went through did they ever say what it possibly could have been?

Dont get me wrong I respect the hell out of doctors but I have eczema. I spent literally thousands in trips when I was uninsured I saw walk in drs who gave me stuff didnt work, visited the ER several times for infections, it wasnt until the last ER trip where I was hospitalized with a nasty infection that I was finally able to see a renouned specialist and he was able to accurately diagnose and treat me within 15 minutes. It literally left the other folks stumped for damn near 3 years.

Can't confirm, but my doc is convinced I had COVID. He's part of a group of STL docs that have a conference call nightly to discuss what they are seeing in their hospitals/practices. They are thinking upwards of 35% false negatives.

As of three weeks ago, my doc had 19 patients with almost exact stories/symptoms, 4 of which tested positive, 4 negative, and the rest couldn't be tested due to Missouri's ridiculous-ass screening.

It sounds like MO has a combination of faulty test and user error.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15

Can't confirm, but my doc is convinced I had COVID. He's part of a group of STL docs that have a conference call nightly to discuss what they are seeing in their hospitals/practices. They are thinking upwards of 35% false negatives.

As of three weeks ago, my doc had 19 patients with almost exact stories/symptoms, 4 of which tested positive, 4 negative, and the rest couldn't be tested due to Missouri's ridiculous-ass screening.

It sounds like MO has a combination of faulty test and user error.

I talked to a buddy who’s dental practices is in one of the hospitals up there. He said it got spooky around the hospital.

Haven’t talked to him in a few weeks, have things slowed down?

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by O.city

I talked to a buddy who’s dental practices is in one of the hospitals up there. He said it got spooky around the hospital.

Haven’t talked to him in a few weeks, have things slowed down?

Have a telehealth call with my doc on Friday, I'll see if he's willing to share info again.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15

Have a telehealth call with my doc on Friday, I'll see if he's willing to share info again.

I have a buddy that’s pushing Telehealth in dentistry. Doesn’t really make sense to me but who knows

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by O.city

I have a buddy that’s pushing Telehealth in dentistry. Doesn’t really make sense to me but who knows

I did telehealth for pharmacy when I did a rotation at the VA. God, that sucked. I can't imagine trying to do it with teeth.

"Can you read me off your last 20 blood sugars, BPs, and tell me what you eat most days?"

*looks for pen to drive into my eye socket*

[O.city]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

I did telehealth for pharmacy when I did a rotation at the VA. God, that sucked. I can't imagine trying to do it with teeth.

"Can you read me off your last 20 blood sugars, BPs, and tell me what you eat most days?"

*looks for pen to drive into my eye socket*

Everything or atleast damn near everything we do requires physically being there with the patient. It would take a massive under taking for that to change

“Yeah you have a cavity, here’s how you wanna hold the drill, don’t worry I’ll walk you thru it”

[O.city]

All these prisons keep testing and finding asymptomatic positives everywhere

They’ll theoretically be immune by the fall so if football gets cancelled we can have real life cons vs guards

['Hamas' Jenkins]

https://www.dropbox.com/s/cd1628cau0...cript.pdf?dl=0


Study of antibody tests for specificity. Almost all of the tests are garbage. Key information is in a data table after the main article. Only two of the tests had a specificity above 99%, and many had a specificity of less than 90%, which renders them functionally worthless.

[Bob Dole]

Originally Posted by jdubya

As a throat ca patient I see the surgeon every 3 months for routine check up. I get a camera shoved in my nose that travels to the back of my throat and it is bigger than that swab. Annoying and creepy as heck but it doesnt hurt.....

I hate that ****ing camera looking at my vocal chord. First time I went to my ENT I was like WHAT THE ****????