***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[jerryaldini]

The latest medical report CNN is pushing in it's doom and gloom reporting says this is ongoing for years and only herd immunity will solve it. Yet medical person says stay inside, and CNN nods head. That's the most frustrating part. They don't acknowledge that we might as well go Swedish model now if their gloomy forecasts are correct. Just **** them.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by kgrund

We have talked about the "at risk" category a great deal on this thread. An interesting observation of this can be seen in Kansas. Currently Wyandotte County has 8 more cases than Ford County in Southwest Kansas. Of Wyandotte's totals, 23% have resulted in hospitalization. Ford County, on the other hand, has 1% in the hospitals. Wyandotte has been plagued by cases from retirement centers while Ford County has been hit with cases from meat packing plants. It really underscores that the actual number of cases is not nearly as important as what demographics make up your cases.

No one wants to hear that because someone might have something that may or may not wittingly or unwittingly spread to someone who may or may not get sick and then may or may not have to go to the hospital where they may or may not live or die.

Seriously though, people need to be looking at these things. The media among others would have you think that this is an automatic death sentence.

Meanwhile I know doctors and nurses who are out of work and some even on unemployment.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by jerryaldini

The latest medical report CNN is pushing in it's doom and gloom reporting says this is ongoing for years and only herd immunity will solve it. Yet medical person says stay inside, and CNN nods head. That's the most frustrating part. They don't acknowledge that we might as well go Swedish model now if their gloomy forecasts are correct. Just **** them.

Did they show this for dramatic effect?



Or maybe this???

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by petegz28

No one wants to hear that because someone might have something that may or may not wittingly or unwittingly spread to someone who may or may not get sick and then may or may not have to go to the hospital where they may or may not live or die.

Seriously though, people need to be looking at these things. The media among others would have you think that this is an automatic death sentence.

Meanwhile I know doctors and nurses who are out of work and some even on unemployment.

The biggest question to me is whether it's even possible to protect vulnerable populations if everything else is wide open (with a caveat that I know we aren't going to be wide open any time soon). You can restrict access to nursing homes, but the staff still have to go home. And all it takes is one staff member bringing it in for it to suddenly spread to the entire place.

Just no easy answers.

[dlphg9]

Originally Posted by petegz28

One of my nurse friends just had her shift cut short by 8 hours yesterday because there is no work. And she works for one of the hospitals that gets a lot of traffic, especially among lower income.

Research?

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by DaFace

The biggest question to me is whether it's even possible to protect vulnerable populations if everything else is wide open (with a caveat that I know we aren't going to be wide open any time soon). You can restrict access to nursing homes, but the staff still have to go home. And all it takes is one staff member bringing it in for it to suddenly spread to the entire place.

Just no easy answers.

Agreed.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by dlphg9

Research?

I thought so but no, St. Mary's

[Mr_Tomahawk]

So what's new?

I'm guessing;
-Daily Cases and deaths area still going up.
-Still no vaccine. (way too early)
-Tests are being conducted on like, 8 existing drugs as a possible treatment that will amount to nothing ultimately.
-Nobody can agree on how long these stay at home orders to be kept in place.

Does that cover everything?

Ill check back next week.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk

So what's new?

I'm guessing;
-Daily Cases and deaths area still going up.
-Still no vaccine. (way to early)
-Tests are being conducted on like, 8 existing drugs as a possible treatment that will amount to nothing ultimately.
-Nobody can agree on how long these stay at home orders to be kept in place.

Does that cover everything?

Ill check back next week.

Pretty much. Don't wait until next week though. The goal posts are sure to move several times by then

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Pretty much. Don't wait until next week though. The goal posts are sure to move several times by then

i sure wish you would stop doing that.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk

So what's new?

I'm guessing;
-Daily Cases and deaths area still going up.
-Still no vaccine. (way to early)
-Tests are being conducted on like, 8 existing drugs as a possible treatment that will amount to nothing ultimately.
-Nobody can agree on how long these stay at home orders to be kept in place.

Does that cover everything?

Ill check back next week.

Eh, I think that's oversimplified. It's easy to miss the big picture when you're lost in the weeds.

-Daily cases and deaths have generally plateaued and are decreasing in most areas.
-Still no vaccine, but lots of them are in development.
-Remdesivir has shown real promise. It's probably not going to help everyone, but it will decrease the death rate some hopefully.
-Nobody can agree, but there's enough variation in approaches that we'll have real data on the impacts in a few weeks.

I'm an optimist, but I think it's hard to say things aren't getting better at this point, albeit very slowly.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by DaFace

Eh, I think that's oversimplified. It's easy to miss the big picture when you're lost in the weeds.

-Daily cases and deaths have generally plateaued and are decreasing in most areas.
-Still no vaccine, but lots of them are in development.
-Remdesivir has shown real promise. It's probably not going to help everyone, but it will decrease the death rate some hopefully.
-Nobody can agree, but there's enough variation in approaches that we'll have real data on the impacts in a few weeks.

I'm an optimist, but I think it's hard to say things aren't getting better at this point, albeit very slowly.

We did what we set out to do which was prevent the run on the hospitals. I think it's kind of odd but encouraging that cases are still high but hospitalisations are going down.

There simply is no hiding from this virus without doing all other kinds of serious damage. And then you probably still couldn't hide from hit anyway.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by DaFace

Eh, I think that's oversimplified. It's easy to miss the big picture when you're lost in the weeds.

-Daily cases and deaths have generally plateaued and are decreasing in most areas.
-Still no vaccine, but lots of them are in development.
-Remdesivir has shown real promise. It's probably not going to help everyone, but it will decrease the death rate some hopefully.
-Nobody can agree, but there's enough variation in approaches that we'll have real data on the impacts in a few weeks.

I'm an optimist, but I think it's hard to say things aren't getting better at this point, albeit very slowly.

I think Remdesivir has only shown decreased recovery time so far with not enough statistical change in mortality rate to make a determination.

link I posted earlier for those who missed it
https://nationalpost.com/health/more...da-say-experts

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by Monticore

I think Remdesivir has only shown decreased recovery time so far with not enough statistical change in mortality rate to make a determination.

link I posted earlier for those who missed it
https://nationalpost.com/health/more...da-say-experts

Not saying it has. Just that it shows promise.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by petegz28

We did what we set out to do which was prevent the run on the hospitals. I think it's kind of odd but encouraging that cases are still high but hospitalisations are going down.

There simply is no hiding from this virus without doing all other kinds of serious damage. And then you probably still couldn't hide from hit anyway.

It is hard to stop doing something that appears to be working for something with unknown results .