***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Monticore]

Your country in general is seems pretty divided some leaders are going against the grain just because and other going overboard just trying to prove the other guy wrong.

sorry if this was too political.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by Monticore

Your country in general is seems pretty divided some leaders are going against the grain just because and other going overboard just trying to prove the other guy wrong.

sorry it this was too political.

You're right

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by Monticore

Your country in general is seems pretty divided some leaders are going against the grain just because and other going overboard just trying to prove the other guy wrong.

sorry it this was too political.

My hope is just that the varying approaches will yield some actual data to try and figure out the "best approach" in a month or so.

[O.city]

Just hope that as things open up things don’t go off the rails at this point

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by tk13

Hard when you can't see the enemy. Also none of us have lived through something like this so there's no built in respect for it. It had only been about 20 years since the last World War. It also means we have no proven action plan to stop it.

There are things we're doing now, and 20 years from now people are going to look back and say "That was completely stupid."

Well, there were other countries that were able to successfully limit the spread of SARS, and without getting too political, we did have a pretty detailed plan in place.

Ultimately, I think the biggest contributor is the strain of anti-intellectualism that has become increasingly pervasive in our country. Combine that with an ease of access to information that the average person doesn't understand and it's easy for them to disregard sound advice and latch on to the disastrous.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

That's a blatant misrepresentation. You wait until you have a sustained decrease in caseload and an adequate testing apparatus. It's been done in other countries. You don't have to wait for a year--but you have to wait long enough to reduce transmission. You can also reduce transmission by mandating that everyone wear masks and practicing more diligent hygienic practices.

As I said, you'd be waiting the better part of a year and literally destroy the economy in the process. Not to mention the increased cases of spousal, child, drug and alcohol abuse as well as suicides and such.

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['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by petegz28

As I said, you'd be waiting the better part of a year and literally destroy the economy in the process. Not to mention the increased cases of spousal, child, drug and alcohol abuse as well as suicides and such.

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The lockdowns in Europe have been nowhere near that long and have already led to a substantial reduction in caseloads and deaths.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by TLO

You're right

Governors try to screw each other over PPE instead of helping each other in the same country.

[lewdog]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

The lockdowns in Europe have been nowhere near that long and have already led to a substantial reduction in caseloads and deaths.

OMG, you mean if you correctly did a lockdown and not a half assed one, that would work better?!?!

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by O.city

Just hope that as things open up things don’t go off the rails at this point

That's about where it is right now. People are digging into their positions at this point. Some will continue to see reason to stay locked down, some will insist on opening bigger and faster and the data will be manipulated one way or the other to suit the respective argument.

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[tk13]

Originally Posted by TLO

I don't disagree with these posts.

However there are so many people out there who have lost jobs,careers, businesses, etc.

That was going to happen anyway. It's foolish to think there's some alternative universe out there where this isn't the case.

It's still going to happen. I called it before any of this stuff was being lifted. Watch what happens. People are going to lose their businesses because now there's no safety net. The government is going to open things up and tell you you're on your own. They'll be able to deny more unemployment claims, and business owners aren't going to be able to ask for any kind of stimulus because the government can say "Well we opened it up for you, it's survival of the fittest out there, and you didn't make it."

[O.city]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

The lockdowns in Europe have been nowhere near that long and have already led to a substantial reduction in caseloads and deaths.

Some of the areas in Europe weren’t hit that hard and are opening up now though. Similar to how we were with New York and such etc

Hopefully atleast

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Well, there were other countries that were able to successfully limit the spread of SARS, and without getting too political, we did have a pretty detailed plan in place.

Ultimately, I think the biggest contributor is the strain of anti-intellectualism that has become increasingly pervasive in our country. Combine that with an ease of access to information that the average person doesn't understand and it's easy for them to disregard sound advice and latch on to the disastrous.

Google should go into lock down during a pandemic, or need a special license to operate.I sometimes spend the my entire time during an exam trying to undo google damage .

[tk13]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Well, there were other countries that were able to successfully limit the spread of SARS, and without getting too political, we did have a pretty detailed plan in place.

Ultimately, I think the biggest contributor is the strain of anti-intellectualism that has become increasingly pervasive in our country. Combine that with an ease of access to information that the average person doesn't understand and it's easy for them to disregard sound advice and latch on to the disastrous.

Well that's probably true.

There is an anti-intellectualism streak, but there's also a lot of intelligent people who make a living just being a complete troll and going against the grain no matter what the facts are.

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by O.city

Some of the areas in Europe weren’t hit that hard and are opening up now though. Similar to how we were with New York and such etc

Hopefully atleast

Guessing it isn't really a lockdown if people are allowed to leave their home more than once every seven days