***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[dirk digler]

some good news

Gottlieb thinks "what we're going to have in the fall is hopefully multiple manufacturers that have cleared early-stage safety trials and have millions of doses that could be deployed in large-scale studies inside cities." He says drug companies are planning for such deployments.

— Will Saletan (@saletan) May 3, 2020

[O.city]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...id-19-carriers

Banyon posted this in dc but I don’t remember it here but it would be huge. That’s how you’d stop the asymptomatic carriers and test and trace

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by O.city

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...id-19-carriers

Banyon posted this in dc but I don’t remember it here but it would be huge. That’s how you’d stop the asymptomatic carriers and test and trace

I think they are looking into a stool test than can pick it up before people become infectious.

[dirk digler]

For those that is just a NY problem, well NY is doing fairly well now in comparison to the rest of the country. I think we will continue to go up in cases, hospitalizations and deaths if states continue their re-opening plans.


I was encouraged to read the Mississippi's governor is considering not doing any more re-openings because they had a surge in cases etc.

When you take out NY, pay attention to your trends. Below are cases, hospitalizations, and death rates in NY and the rest of the country is not flattening out. 15/ pic.twitter.com/Mfo7so7Dh5

— Andy Slavitt @ 🏡 (@ASlavitt) May 3, 2020

[O.city]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

some good news

Gottlieb thinks "what we're going to have in the fall is hopefully multiple manufacturers that have cleared early-stage safety trials and have millions of doses that could be deployed in large-scale studies inside cities." He says drug companies are planning for such deployments.

— Will Saletan (@saletan) May 3, 2020

There's too much incentive at this point for them. These companies are racing for it, it won't be a year.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

For those that is just a NY problem, well NY is doing fairly well now in comparison to the rest of the country. I think we will continue to go up in cases, hospitalizations and deaths if states continue their re-opening plans.


I was encouraged to read the Mississippi's governor is considering not doing any more re-openings because they had a surge in cases etc.

When you take out NY, pay attention to your trends. Below are cases, hospitalizations, and death rates in NY and the rest of the country is not flattening out. 15/ pic.twitter.com/Mfo7so7Dh5

— Andy Slavitt @ 🏡 (@ASlavitt) May 3, 2020

I think this is why it was a mistake to lock down everything at the same time. Not everyone was on the same curve.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by O.city

I think this is why it was a mistake to lock down everything at the same time. Not everyone was on the same curve.

I think the hope was if you locked down early enough you would not get a curve at all , but it seems we underestimated it’s virulence

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Monticore

I think the hope was if you locked down early enough you would not get a curve at all , but it seems we underestimated it’s virulence

Needed to lock down in early February likely for that to happen.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by O.city

Needed to lock down in early February likely for that to happen.

Ya and more aggressively but we didn’t have the same info back then.it might not have made difference either.

[LiveSteam]

We locked down to keep our hospitals from being overwhelmed.
We've accomplished that.
Thanks Trump

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by LiveSteam

We locked down to keep our hospitals from being overwhelmed.
We've accomplished that.
Thanks Trump

Buh bye.

[O.city]

DaFace, is there data out there that shows that it was peaking in some areas before the lockdown?

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by O.city

I think this is why it was a mistake to lock down everything at the same time. Not everyone was on the same curve.

Maybe but once it gets in your state and you lock down you need to stay that way for 8-10 weeks minimum. For us Missourians he didn't lock down to April 6 so we really need to be continued lock down until July

[IowaHawkeyeChief]

Originally Posted by Titty Meat

Bigcatdaddy I noticed you downvoted my last comment about opening up stuff in Iowa despite rising infections. America represents 4% of the world and about 1/4th of the deaths.

Dare to explain why this is?

Couple of explanations:

America is one of the most visited countries in the World. The top countries in this category have all been hit, all worse per capita than the US...

https://www.google.com/search?q=most...hrome&ie=UTF-8

NYC/NJ - Kept their subway system open and didn't start disinfecting it nightly until 4 days ago. Count all at home deaths as Covid-19 and issued do not resuscitate orders to their field medical personnel. If you take out NYC/NJ America kicked ass controlling this virus, specifically if you compare it to the EU countries...

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief

Couple of explanations:

America is one of the most visited countries in the World. The top countries in this category have all been hit, all worse per capita than the US...

https://www.google.com/search?q=most...hrome&ie=UTF-8

NYC/NJ - Kept their subway system open and didn't start disinfecting it nightly until 4 days ago. Count all at home deaths as Covid-19 and issued do not resuscitate orders to their field medical personnel. If you take out NYC/NJ America kicked ass controlling this virus, specifically if you compare it to the EU countries...

Do you understand why they gave DNR orders?