***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[mr. tegu]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

Before you freak out we already did this with Americans we brought back from China and on the Grand Princess.

You want to rip Lewdog and all of the other workers at his place out of their home? He knows the risks to his family, which are apparently low so it’s not like he’s being callous or not caring about others. If they all three stay isolated what’s wrong with that? In fact it’s better if they get it now in isolation and develop immunity without risk of spreading it beyond their small family unit.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by mr. tegu

That makes sense. Looks like the article recently posted is along those lines as well where it lingers regardless. That said I imagine if stats showed them being at high risk to be harmful or if your parents lived with you, you probably would have felt like you had no choice but to do something. So it came down to a risk evaluation verse cost for you and it didn’t make sense to isolate. I’d do the same thing probably but I think your example helps show that isolating the high risk is more important than simply isolating everyone without allowing things to start slowly opening back up.

The more health people have it the higher chance people at risk will have it ,there is a fine line there.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by O.city

That’s why I’m pretty confident the Oxford vaccine is the first out. It’s adenovirus based so we already know the safety of it. I think. Maybe misremembering though

Well, I can tell you that without a doubt, no one in my immediate family will subject themselves to a vaccine for at least 6 months after it's released.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by petegz28

That's a little bit different than ripping people out of their homes, bro

Not really but the thought process is to at least start with voluntary and tell them they would be fed, get tested and have quick access to medical care.


Let's be realistic, if you live in a 2 bedroom apartment or home with 3 other people where are you going to self quarantine?

[mr. tegu]

Originally Posted by DaFace

It's true, and it'll never happen here. It kind of sucks, though, that some countries are largely back to normal already because they truly locked down while we're going to be dealing with it for months. If you told me right now that I literally had to go to jail for a month but everything would be fine when I got out, I'd take that in an instant. We just don't have a culture of that level of sacrifice for the greater good.

They don’t have any kind of permanence of being back to normal though. Until it’s no longer spreading around the world they will always be at greater risk with less people immune.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

Not really but the thought process is to at least start with voluntary and tell them they would be fed, get tested and have quick access to medical care.


Let's be realistic, if you live in a 2 bedroom apartment or home with 3 other people where are you going to self quarantine?

Yeah, really

[mr. tegu]

I’d thought about the vaccine stuff as well and my family definitely won’t be getting in line right away to get it.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by mr. tegu

You want to rip Lewdog and all of the other workers at his place out of their home? He knows the risks to his family, which are apparently low so it’s not like he’s being callous or not caring about others. If they all three stay isolated what’s wrong with that? In fact it’s better if they get it now in isolation and develop immunity without risk of spreading it beyond their small family unit.

The odds the family were already exposed to it before his diagnosis, the issue we don't know is the how if amount of consistent/large exposure could results in more sever symptoms, which was a theory at on point.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by BossChief

I wish I could understand what Iowa’s doing. Our cases and deaths are rising at an alarming rate and they are opening things up.

On my birthday April 20th, we had 79 total deaths and 3,159 total confirmed cases in the state. Today, we have 8,642 cases and 176 total deaths.

Not exactly data that suggest opening most of the state back up.

Originally Posted by Donger

The guidelines for reopening make sense. 14 day trajectory of decline in new cases. Some states that are re-opening are close to that, or have achieved it.

I get that people are antsy, but re-opening while new cases are still climbing isn't logical.

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[Monticore]

Originally Posted by mr. tegu

I’d thought about the vaccine stuff as well and my family definitely won’t be getting in line right away to get it.

I will have an idea on it's safety if my wife is willing to give it to our kids.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Well, I can tell you that without a doubt, no one in my immediate family will subject themselves to a vaccine for at least 6 months after it's released.

It’ll be interesting to see how it plays out

[Titty Meat]

O city keeps talking about vaccines but I'm willing to bet there wont be one

[dlphg9]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I'm not concerned with the notion that scientists can or have already created an effective vaccine.

My concern is whether or not a determination can be made that it won't kill humans, especially humans taking numerous and varied medicines, in a very short period of time.

It's impossible to "speed up" clinical trials. This is far different than someone who has Stage 4 cancer and is willing to take an experimental drug to survive.

You're asking otherwise healthy adults to submit to a vaccine that hasn't been adequately tested and could lead to death.

That's a HUGE ask, IMO.

Could you imagine if the vaccine killed more people than the actual virus?

[ChiliConCarnage]

Originally Posted by BossChief

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Iowa, KS, and Nebraska kind of look like states that shouldn't be opening unless we turn around fast. We're going to do it because I think there isn't much of a choice. If you're over a 1 still shut down, Im not sure what you could expect opening up.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by mr. tegu

They don’t have any kind of permanence of being back to normal though. Until it’s no longer spreading around the world they will always be at greater risk with less people immune.

All I know is that I'm stuck in my living room while Seoul has people going to baseball games without incident, and they got COVID-19 before we did.

They are able to control it by using methods people just won't tolerate here. Hell, Stillwater, OK had to roll back their mask requirements because people were threatening retail staff over it.

People here HATE being told what to do.