***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[petegz28]

Missouri residents who tipped off county about lockdown rule-breakers fear retaliation after details of more than 900 'snitches' are released online

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...n-release.html

[tk13]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

I'm not trying to be mean or judgmental, but I'm also trying to put a broader perspective about the actual dynamics of the situation. People aren't itching to get out because they're bored, they're not getting promising data on resolution while the data on consequences of their sacrifice piles up. It's not about wanting an ice cream cone on the first week in May, it's starting to bristle that things could stretch on for months with nothing more for guidance than 'stay inside until we say otherwise.'

And before people slam me for HOLDING these positions, I'm merely trying to empathize with and give voice to them, instead of less reasoned or charitable interpretations.

Yeah all those people on the beach are really making a blistering statement about the consequences of their sacrifice.

Get real, a big part of it is that isolation is extremely hard on people's mental health. Trying to bury it in some kind of "we're going to kill the economy" message is really disingenuous.

The economy was going to get blasted either way in this. You can pretend to ignore the train that's coming down the tracks at you, but it's still going to hurt just as bad when it hits you. Anyone who acts like life could have carried on as normal and the economy wouldn't be wrecked by this is completely detached from reality.

[Titty Meat]

This projects over 200k deaths with the reopening

https://twitter.com/YahooFinance/sta...291192322?s=19

[eDave]

Originally Posted by Titty Meat

This projects over 200k deaths with the reopening

https://twitter.com/YahooFinance/sta...291192322?s=19

No. But what is our accepted level going to be?

[KCUnited]

Mitigation is a 2 way street

[Kidd Lex]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

One thing that has not been fully appreciated is the significant morbidity that will accompany those that get this bug and survive.

Primarily for those that go on ventilators and survive correct? Because if they predict 60%-70% are going to get this wouldn’t be good if a large percentage see significant life expectancy hits.

Man I hope my Covid test comes back negative and antibodies a resounding positive. I think I’ve identified where I got the pneumonia (which feels 100x better already btw), wife said the reason she threw our humidifiers out was because the last time she used them in our Master bedroom (when we were all sick with some viral shit last month) the water was all gross and slimy when she went to refill it. That’s like a perfect storm for chest infection, pull out a humidifier to help when you’re sick and then find out after 2 days of running in a moderate space that it has slimy bacteria in it. Woman’s trying to kill me. :-) With the economy the way it’s headed I’m certainly worth more dead than alive.

[Bowser]

Originally Posted by Titty Meat

This projects over 200k deaths with the reopening

https://twitter.com/YahooFinance/sta...291192322?s=19

So basically, 350k are going to die regardless, right? We're not isolating to save lives, we're isolating to ease the burden on our health care system and facilities if I understand all of this correctly. Isolating just means it's going to take longer to kill the same number of people, if I'm reading that correctly.

[Spott]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Missouri residents who tipped off county about lockdown rule-breakers fear retaliation after details of more than 900 'snitches' are released online

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...n-release.html

They should do the same thing with the people that rat their neighbors out for HOA violations.

[tk13]

Originally Posted by Bowser

So basically, 350k are going to die regardless, right? We're not isolating to save lives, we're isolating to ease the burden on our health care system and facilities if I understand all of this correctly. Isolating just means it's going to take longer to kill the same number of people, if I'm reading that correctly.

That's entirely possible, but it's also reason 395 the Sweden philosophy is a risk that could end up looking stupid.

It may not make a difference at all, and then that's that, unfortunately... but say we get lucky and the virus mutates into a less dangerous form and dies off, or we do find some kind of vaccine or at least a treatment that helps saves lives and changes the outlook and projections on this thing.

Then everyone who said "just get it over with" and tried to ram through herd immunity is going to have caused thousands and thousands of unnecessary deaths.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by The PMII Hypothesis

Primarily for those that go on ventilators and survive correct? Because if they predict 60%-70% are going to get this wouldn’t be good if a large percentage see significant life expectancy hits.

Man I hope my Covid test comes back negative and antibodies a resounding positive. I think I’ve identified where I got the pneumonia (which feels 100x better already btw), wife said the reason she threw our humidifiers out was because the last time she used them in our Master bedroom (when we were all sick with some viral shit last month) the water was all gross and slimy when she went to refill it. That’s like a perfect storm for chest infection, pull out a humidifier to help when you’re sick and then find out after 2 days of running in a moderate space that it has slimy bacteria in it. Woman’s trying to kill me. :-) With the economy the way it’s headed I’m certainly worth more dead than alive.

More likely for those, but if this is also causing cardiac damage and coagulopathies, those are significant risks for months-years down the line.

[Bowser]

Originally Posted by tk13

That's entirely possible, but it's also reason 395 the Sweden philosophy could end up looking stupid.

It may not make a difference at all, and then that's that... but say we get lucky and the virus mutates into a less dangerous form and dies off, or we do find some kind of vaccine or treatment that helps saves lives and changes the outlook and projections on this thing.

Then everyone who said "just get it over with" and tried to ram through herd immunity is going to have caused thousands and thousands of unnecessary deaths.

The frustrating part is that there seems to be no solid information on how to deal with this thing. We're flying by the seat of our pants trying to extrapolate data that seemingly changes daily. Eventually there is going to have to come a line in the sand we and the world will have to cross. However that turns out, you're going to have people upset over it.

I'll admit I'm in the "rip the band-aid off" camp right now. Might be smart, might be real stupid, but we just don't know. And it's very frustrating (redundant point is redundant).

[TLO]

Originally Posted by Titty Meat

This projects over 200k deaths with the reopening

https://twitter.com/YahooFinance/sta...291192322?s=19

Yeah and the IMHE model at one point said we'd be around 60k deaths overall.

[O.city]

You stretch it out to give the medical community time to figure it out

[tk13]

Originally Posted by Bowser

The frustrating part is that there seems to be no solid information on how to deal with this thing. We're flying by the seat of our pants trying to extrapolate data that seemingly changes daily. Eventually there is going to have to come a line in the sand we and the world will have to cross. However that turns out, you're going to have people upset over it.

I'll admit I'm in the "rip the band-aid off" camp right now. Might be smart, might be real stupid, but we just don't know. And it's very frustrating (redundant point is redundant).

No it's true, there's so much that we don't know, we could look back a year from now and see this thing was handled all wrong. I'm not sure about any of these projections. But it is pretty clear the thing has a pretty good shot of killing 100k people here, which is pretty brutal. And that's with most people not going to work. I don't see any evidence the thing is slowing down, especially in these places like nursing homes and meat plants where people are in close contact all the time. I think you'll be able to re-open some things but I have no idea how you send people back to large workplaces. Someone smarter than me will have to figure that out.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

More likely for those, but if this is also causing cardiac damage and coagulopathies, those are significant risks for months-years down the line.

But how common is this?