***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

France found a Covid Case from late December. I know CA is going back to December to check all the flu and pneumonia deaths to see if there are ones with Covid. I think every state should start doing this.

https://news.cgtn.com/news/2020-05-0...IZ2/index.html

AKA China lied their asses off and its been in the US longer and way more wide spread than thought.

[BWillie]

Originally Posted by Donger

Because if we hadn't enacted the mitigation efforts, we'd have more deaths. Probably many more.

Marcellus doesn't believe science in how infectious diseases spread. He doesn't think it matters at all if you are social distancing at home the majority of your days or in a confined space many people. It's just going to spread the same, he thinks.

[SAUTO]

tell you what pete, why dont you FIND a bank that wants the deferral at the end of the 3 months.

i looked atBOA, hawthorne, equity...


all add months to the end of the note

[Donger]

Originally Posted by lewdog

False narrative to compare known risks to a virus with little knowledge or treatment options.

I hate contagious car wrecks. I was in one once, and gave it to three other people in the ambulance.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by BWillie

Marcellus doesn't believe science in how infectious diseases spread. He doesn't think it matters at all if you are social distancing at home the majority of your days or in a confined space many people. It's just going to spread the same, he thinks.

Just going to take the converse of this for a moment, what does science say about how you build immunity to viruses?

[mr. tegu]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

France found a Covid Case from late December. I know CA is going back to December to check all the flu and pneumonia deaths to see if there are ones with Covid. I think every state should start doing this.

https://news.cgtn.com/news/2020-05-0...IZ2/index.html

I wish they would say if he had traveled out of the country or not. If not, it’s even bigger news than it already seems.

[FloridaMan88]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

JFC

NEW: Carnival Cruise Line to resume some North American cruises in August, with eight ships out of Miami, Port Canaveral and Galveston. https://t.co/Rv9cGCfn2r pic.twitter.com/OShxVY4BRL

— ABC News (@ABC) May 4, 2020

Who the hell would want to go on a cruise in August... the height of what is expected to be a very active Atlantic hurricane season, while cruise ships even during normal times are incubators for the spread of contagious diseases.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

JFC

NEW: Carnival Cruise Line to resume some North American cruises in August, with eight ships out of Miami, Port Canaveral and Galveston. https://t.co/Rv9cGCfn2r pic.twitter.com/OShxVY4BRL

— ABC News (@ABC) May 4, 2020

I haven't read the details but what are the requirements to get on board? It might be safer than going to the grocery store

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Just going to take the converse of this for a moment, what does science say about how you build immunity to viruses?

Historically, you either:

1. Let huge swaths of the population die
2. Develop a vaccine
3. Get lucky and have the disease flame out (could be either herd immunity or a variety of other ways)

[FloridaMan88]

Originally Posted by DaFace

Historically, you either:

1. Let huge swaths of the population die
2. Develop a vaccine
3. Get lucky and have the disease flame out (could be either herd immunity or a variety of other ways)

The unique dynamic with COVID-19 is there are plenty of people who want to keep the lockdowns/social distancing in place until a vaccine is developed... which may never happen.

What is the plan then?

[BWillie]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

AKA China lied their asses off and its been in the US longer and way more wide spread than thought.

You are indicating China lied their ass of, right? And that you don't believe them right?

Do you know where the source CGTN is from. Well, do you?

I'll help you, CGTN is a state-owned media organization in China in charge of sending propaganda to the outside world.

I don't doubt that CGTN is going to try to spin this that it didn't start in China.

[stevieray]

Originally Posted by lewdog

False narrative to compare known risks to a virus with little knowledge or treatment options.

Von Miller says hi.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

The unique dynamic with COVID-19 is there are plenty of people who want to keep the lockdowns/social distancing in place until a vaccine is developed... which may never happen.

What is the plan then?

Well, the federal plan is in place and available, and it generally seems reasonable to me.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/openingamerica/

It's just that many states have decided to move forward even though they haven't met the criteria.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

The unique dynamic with COVID-19 is there are plenty of people who want to keep the lockdowns/social distancing in place until a vaccine is developed... which may never happen.

What is the plan then?

I haven't heard of a single person suggesting that.

The plan provided by the federal government is very clear. Have you read it?

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by stevieray

Von Miller says hi.

whats the point of this post?


i totally dont understand it.