Chiefs Will Andy Reid break the all-time career record for wins as a head coach?

**RealSNR** · 05-04-2020, 05:30 PM

The Don Shula thread got me thinking about this. Andy Reid is 125 wins behind tying Shula if you count the playoffs. RunKC mentioned in that thread the possibility that Andy would coach for another decade since he has Patrick Mahomes as his QB, so he doesn't have to spend sleepless nights figuring out how to win games with AJ Feeley as his QB.

"Andy's really fat! No way! He's gonna die!" Are you sure about that? That fat man has lasted this long as an NFL head coach and has yet to miss a single NFL game because of a health issue, fat and all. It's a super stressful job and the guy still insanely energetic. So let's throw that argument away and assume he does coach for another decade. Is that a realistic mark for him to break the record if he has Patrick Mahomes as his QB all of those years? He's 126 wins away from breaking Shula's record, and he's 62. Usually you would look at that task and go, "More than 12 wins per season for 10 straight seasons? Awfully tall task."

Well, not so fast. He gets a 17 game season for 8 or 9 of those years. Then you get the playoffs with Mahomes as your QB. And in any given year in which he comes in under the required yearly average for wins in the regular season, he'll most likely be at a 2 seed or worse, which in the new playoff structure gives him an opportunity to rack up an extra win against a theoretically easier playoff opponent.

So he DOES need to average 12.5 wins a year, but if he gets close to that number every season, the years in which he outright dominates should balance out the seasons where he doesn't hit the 12.5 wins mark.

He needs to do a lot better than his current career win percentage of .610 from here on out, but he's Andy Reid, and he's attempting this task with Patrick Mahomes, not McNabb, Garcia, Feeley, Vick, or Alex.

However, he's got one more obstacle in his way: Bill Belichick, who is 43 wins away. A couple of years ago I would have said, "He's going to shatter that." But once again, not so fast. George Halas and Marv Levy each hold the record for oldest NFL head coaches in history at 72. I know people are living longer and healthier these days, but I think I would apply that to someone like Pete Carroll. Bill Belichick? He just turned 68. And these days he probably tilts more towards the Andy Reid side of health than he does Pete Carroll. Additionally, he just handed the team over to some doofus named Garrett Shittem and didn't give him any kind of offensive support other than some extra TEs. I gather that they're going to be a run-first offense, but this is a little extreme. He might just wear out his welcome before those arbitrary 4 years he has to get to 43 wins and beyond.

Poll forthcoming

Red Dawg · 05-04-2020, 05:31 PM

No chance in hell.

Why Not? · 05-04-2020, 05:32 PM

In b4 pole!

Monticore · 05-04-2020, 05:33 PM

I would be very surprised if Reid does 5 more years before handing off to someone.

Why Not? · 05-04-2020, 05:40 PM

On a serious note, I kinda doubt it. That’s a lot of years left for him to have to win a lot of games. The Chiefs can win the Bowl from any playoff position so a few years of 9 or 10 wins won’t necessarily doom them but would hurt Andy’s shot.

Ubeja Vontell · 05-04-2020, 05:44 PM

Highly unlikely and it's a shame, he's great.

Why Not? · 05-04-2020, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Ubeja Vontell

Highly unlikely and it's a shame, he's great.

Never any shame in retiring in the top 5 of anything positive.

**Rain Man** · 05-04-2020, 05:48 PM

He's only 7 years away if they go 20-0 every year, which is certainly possible at this point.

But I think it'll be hard to keep going for another 11 years at 12 wins per year. Everyone involved is great, but there's just odds that something will happen to make him retire or depart, and 12 wins a year on average is hard, even if Mahomes is your quarterback.

Ubeja Vontell · 05-04-2020, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Why Not?

Never any shame in retiring in the top 5 of anything positive.

I agree but 4 is better and that is very realistic.

**RealSNR** · 05-04-2020, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Monticore

I would be very surprised if Reid does 5 more years before handing off to someone.

That opinion makes a lot of sense, but do consider this:

Andy Reid is an extreme workaholic, and he probably loves football more than he loves sex. I think people are letting his weight cloud their judgment on this a bit.

He gets to see his son every day at work. He's got the best QB in the league. He's got a great owner with a steady leadership style, and his GM is young, organized, and has the advantage of acquiring talent each year by enticing players to play with Mahomes. Also for the first time in his coaching career, Andy doesn't have to deal with the aura or inner thoughts of people who might believe in the stupid "can't win the big one for a cursed franchise" ghost. He's never had it easier in his entire coaching career.

What's a guy like that going to do when he hangs it up? Yeah, that time has to come for everybody, but I reject this notion that Andy is more ready to quit in a couple years than other NFL head coaches in their 60s, particularly the older guys like Belichick and Carroll.

Monticore · 05-04-2020, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by RealSNR

That opinion makes a lot of sense, but do consider this:

Andy Reid is an extreme workaholic, and he probably loves football more than he loves sex. I think people are letting his weight cloud their judgment on this a bit.

He gets to see his son every day at work. He's got the best QB in the league. He's got a great owner with a steady leadership style, and his GM is young, organized, and has the advantage of acquiring talent each year by enticing players to play with Mahomes. Also for the first time in his coaching career, Andy doesn't have to deal with the aura or inner thoughts of people who might believe in the stupid "can't win the big one for a cursed franchise" ghost. He's never had it easier in his entire coaching career.

What's a guy like that going to do when he hangs it up? Yeah, that time has to come for everybody, but I reject this notion that Andy is more ready to quit in a couple years than other NFL head coaches in their 60s, particularly the older guys like Belichick and Carroll.

I worry about health more than desire.

ThyKingdomCome15 · 05-04-2020, 06:01 PM

He'd have to coach another ten years and average 11 wins a season. That's asking a lot.

2bikemike · 05-04-2020, 06:10 PM

I'm thinking no its not going to happen. Way too many variables involved. As Rainman said. It would be extremely difficult to maintain that pace for 10 more years.
But it would be an awesome run if he could do it! And it is not unprecedented.
The Pats have averaged 14.1 over a 10 year period if you count Playoffs and Superbowls.

FloridaMan88 · 05-04-2020, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Monticore

I would be very surprised if Reid does 5 more years before handing off to someone.

Andy seems to be a football lifer, assuming he remains in good health, I think he could coach for another 10 years into his early 70’s.

Monticore · 05-04-2020, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

Andy seems to be a football lifer, assuming he remains in good health, I think he could coach for another 10 years into his early 70’s.

Ya it’s more a health thing but I could see him leaving coaching but still being a part of football somehow.

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2bikemike Born to Ride Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: NWA Casino cash: $-1124623	I'm thinking no its not going to happen. Way too many variables involved. As Rainman said. It would be extremely difficult to maintain that pace for 10 more years. But it would be an awesome run if he could do it! And it is not unprecedented. The Pats have averaged 14.1 over a 10 year period if you count Playoffs and Superbowls.
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