Chiefs Will Andy Reid break the all-time career record for wins as a head coach? - Page 3

**RealSNR** · 05-04-2020, 05:30 PM

The Don Shula thread got me thinking about this. Andy Reid is 125 wins behind tying Shula if you count the playoffs. RunKC mentioned in that thread the possibility that Andy would coach for another decade since he has Patrick Mahomes as his QB, so he doesn't have to spend sleepless nights figuring out how to win games with AJ Feeley as his QB.

"Andy's really fat! No way! He's gonna die!" Are you sure about that? That fat man has lasted this long as an NFL head coach and has yet to miss a single NFL game because of a health issue, fat and all. It's a super stressful job and the guy still insanely energetic. So let's throw that argument away and assume he does coach for another decade. Is that a realistic mark for him to break the record if he has Patrick Mahomes as his QB all of those years? He's 126 wins away from breaking Shula's record, and he's 62. Usually you would look at that task and go, "More than 12 wins per season for 10 straight seasons? Awfully tall task."

Well, not so fast. He gets a 17 game season for 8 or 9 of those years. Then you get the playoffs with Mahomes as your QB. And in any given year in which he comes in under the required yearly average for wins in the regular season, he'll most likely be at a 2 seed or worse, which in the new playoff structure gives him an opportunity to rack up an extra win against a theoretically easier playoff opponent.

So he DOES need to average 12.5 wins a year, but if he gets close to that number every season, the years in which he outright dominates should balance out the seasons where he doesn't hit the 12.5 wins mark.

He needs to do a lot better than his current career win percentage of .610 from here on out, but he's Andy Reid, and he's attempting this task with Patrick Mahomes, not McNabb, Garcia, Feeley, Vick, or Alex.

However, he's got one more obstacle in his way: Bill Belichick, who is 43 wins away. A couple of years ago I would have said, "He's going to shatter that." But once again, not so fast. George Halas and Marv Levy each hold the record for oldest NFL head coaches in history at 72. I know people are living longer and healthier these days, but I think I would apply that to someone like Pete Carroll. Bill Belichick? He just turned 68. And these days he probably tilts more towards the Andy Reid side of health than he does Pete Carroll. Additionally, he just handed the team over to some doofus named Garrett Shittem and didn't give him any kind of offensive support other than some extra TEs. I gather that they're going to be a run-first offense, but this is a little extreme. He might just wear out his welcome before those arbitrary 4 years he has to get to 43 wins and beyond.

Poll forthcoming

Gravedigger · 05-05-2020, 07:46 AM

He might not surpass Don or Bill, but third place behind them isn't a bad way to go.

**RealSNR** · 05-05-2020, 07:48 AM

Guys, I literally did all of the math for you in the OP.

Do you morons ****ing read? You don't have to break it down for us in every post.

"You do know that means he has to win 12 games a year, right?"

Yes, because that's what I said in the ****ing OP.

TomBarndtsTwin · 05-05-2020, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Gravedigger

He might not surpass Don or Bill, but third place behind them isn't a bad way to go.

No, it’s not.

And to go out winning a ‘few’ Super Bowls in his last remaining years, after being told forever ‘he can’t win the big one’ . . . . . .

Hell of a way to go out.

mcaj22 · 05-05-2020, 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Gravedigger

He might not surpass Don or Bill, but third place behind them isn't a bad way to go.

Halas is second are we even sure Bill or Reid even catch him?

Strongside · 05-05-2020, 08:19 AM

I know there's a lot of speculation that Andy could coach another ten years, but I don't see it. His mind would totally allow it, but I don't know that his health/body will hold up to 10 more NFL seasons. It's no secret that Andy's diet isn't the greatest, and he's already had reconstructive knee surgeries.

I hope he sticks around for the bulk of Pat's career. I think they win multiple rings together if so. But I can't see him here beyond 5 - 6 more years, personally.

RunKC · 05-05-2020, 08:27 AM

Andy is as rejuvenated as ever with Mahomes. His job has never been easier or anywhere near as fun as it has been at any point in his entire life.

Imagine struggling for so long against competition bc you were handicapped, especially the time from after McNabb to the day we drafted Pat? Think about that. Andy won ONE playoff game in almost 10 years during that span.

Now he’s got perhaps the most talented QB ever and you guys think he’s just gonna walk away from that?

Andy has already lost a lot of weight, so he knows about his health. He’s actually considerably lighter than his worst days in Philly. I’m betting that Andy will continue to lose weight as he gets older to keep himself available doing what he loves.

Andy isn’t a retirement kinda guy in the first place. He lives for this. He literally lost his kid and got fired, had the chance to take a year off and said “nah **** that shit, I’m going to work.”

He’s gonna be here for at least 10 more years unless he has a serious health issue pop up.

Mile High Mania · 05-05-2020, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by RealSNR

Guys, I literally did all of the math for you in the OP.

Do you morons ****ing read? You don't have to break it down for us in every post.

"You do know that means he has to win 12 games a year, right?"

Yes, because that's what I said in the ****ing OP.

Well, when you look at the leaderboard, there is a 121 gap not 125.

**RealSNR** · 05-05-2020, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

Well, when you look at the leaderboard, there is a 121 gap not 125.

Your leaderboard is wrong.

Shula has 347. Andy has 222.

Subtract the two and you get 125.

**Shaid** · 05-05-2020, 09:21 AM

Bill gets it, Andy doesn't catch him.

Mile High Mania · 05-05-2020, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by RealSNR

Your leaderboard is wrong.

Shula has 347. Andy has 222.

Subtract the two and you get 125.

I was looking at Pro Football Reference.

Bill Brasky · 05-05-2020, 02:28 PM

Pat's career will be Andy's swan song and highest achievement. At the very minimum, Andy will coach through Pat's second contract. He's 62 now, so I could see him going another 6-7 years.

That said, I don't think there's a good chance he'll coach another 10 years as much as I would love for him to stay.

ChiefBlueCFC · 05-05-2020, 02:57 PM

I feel like now that he's got the big one, he won't coach quite as long and therefore won't get there. But, who knows maybe he just won't want to NOT coach Mahomes and he just rides out Mahomes career and they both break every record ever.

SuperBowl4 · 05-05-2020, 03:01 PM

Only if Andy losses 125 pounds

Mecca · 05-05-2020, 03:02 PM

I'd say no unless the Chiefs remain this crazy juggernaut that is winning 12+ games every year and going to lots of superbowls.

BoxWine_Stouffers_TubeSock · 05-05-2020, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

I'd say no unless the Chiefs remain this crazy juggernaut that is winning 12+ games every year and going to lots of superbowls.

It's gonna happen. Best QB, best coach, best GM, awww yeah.

View Poll Results: Does Andy Reid break the all-time record for wins as a head coach?
I think he can do it	14	11.67%
I think he can break Shula's record, but Belichick will leech on too long for Andy to surpass him	17	14.17%
Maybe. I guess? Dunno.	9	7.50%
It's probably not going to happen	80	66.67%
I have no opinion and don't care. I believe whatever Ubeja tells me to believe.	0	0%
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RealSNR Special Teams ACE!!! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Where the hell is SNR Casino cash: $-1484792	Will Andy Reid break the all-time career record for wins as a head coach? The Don Shula thread got me thinking about this. Andy Reid is 125 wins behind tying Shula if you count the playoffs. RunKC mentioned in that thread the possibility that Andy would coach for another decade since he has Patrick Mahomes as his QB, so he doesn't have to spend sleepless nights figuring out how to win games with AJ Feeley as his QB. "Andy's really fat! No way! He's gonna die!" Are you sure about that? That fat man has lasted this long as an NFL head coach and has yet to miss a single NFL game because of a health issue, fat and all. It's a super stressful job and the guy still insanely energetic. So let's throw that argument away and assume he does coach for another decade. Is that a realistic mark for him to break the record if he has Patrick Mahomes as his QB all of those years? He's 126 wins away from breaking Shula's record, and he's 62. Usually you would look at that task and go, "More than 12 wins per season for 10 straight seasons? Awfully tall task." Well, not so fast. He gets a 17 game season for 8 or 9 of those years. Then you get the playoffs with Mahomes as your QB. And in any given year in which he comes in under the required yearly average for wins in the regular season, he'll most likely be at a 2 seed or worse, which in the new playoff structure gives him an opportunity to rack up an extra win against a theoretically easier playoff opponent. So he DOES need to average 12.5 wins a year, but if he gets close to that number every season, the years in which he outright dominates should balance out the seasons where he doesn't hit the 12.5 wins mark. He needs to do a lot better than his current career win percentage of .610 from here on out, but he's Andy Reid, and he's attempting this task with Patrick Mahomes, not McNabb, Garcia, Feeley, Vick, or Alex. However, he's got one more obstacle in his way: Bill Belichick, who is 43 wins away. A couple of years ago I would have said, "He's going to shatter that." But once again, not so fast. George Halas and Marv Levy each hold the record for oldest NFL head coaches in history at 72. I know people are living longer and healthier these days, but I think I would apply that to someone like Pete Carroll. Bill Belichick? He just turned 68. And these days he probably tilts more towards the Andy Reid side of health than he does Pete Carroll. Additionally, he just handed the team over to some doofus named Garrett Shittem and didn't give him any kind of offensive support other than some extra TEs. I gather that they're going to be a run-first offense, but this is a little extreme. He might just wear out his welcome before those arbitrary 4 years he has to get to 43 wins and beyond. Poll forthcoming
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05-05-2020, 08:27 AM	#36
RunKC Andy Reid Supporter Join Date: Apr 2012 Casino cash: $-1590389	Andy is as rejuvenated as ever with Mahomes. His job has never been easier or anywhere near as fun as it has been at any point in his entire life. Imagine struggling for so long against competition bc you were handicapped, especially the time from after McNabb to the day we drafted Pat? Think about that. Andy won ONE playoff game in almost 10 years during that span. Now he’s got perhaps the most talented QB ever and you guys think he’s just gonna walk away from that? Andy has already lost a lot of weight, so he knows about his health. He’s actually considerably lighter than his worst days in Philly. I’m betting that Andy will continue to lose weight as he gets older to keep himself available doing what he loves. Andy isn’t a retirement kinda guy in the first place. He lives for this. He literally lost his kid and got fired, had the chance to take a year off and said “nah ** that shit, I’m going to work.” He’s gonna be here for at least 10 more years unless he has a serious health issue pop up. __________________ Mike Greenberg@Espngreeny I can’t fathom what it must be like to be a fan of the #Chiefs. Adopt a Chief: Jared Wiley**
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Bill Brasky Veteran Join Date: Sep 2010 Casino cash: $7844914	Pat's career will be Andy's swan song and highest achievement. At the very minimum, Andy will coach through Pat's second contract. He's 62 now, so I could see him going another 6-7 years. That said, I don't think there's a good chance he'll coach another 10 years as much as I would love for him to stay.
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