***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Kidd Lex]

Covid test and antibody test both came back negative. Pneumonia feels like it’s getting beat down by the antibiotics and albuterol filled nebulizer. Be a bad time to catch the Rona, figured I’d catch the worse respiratory illness of my life mid respiratory pandemic. Let’s Rock.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by O.city

It's gonna end up being well over 50% of deaths coming from nursing homes and the like. We should have focused way more efforts on that area. Maybe thats monday morning QB"ing but damn it.

I just don't see an easy way of actually doing it. Nursing homes aren't designed to be clean rooms, and you can't easily prevent staff from going out into the world, catching it, and then bringing it in.

I suppose I don't fully know what nursing homes have been doing, but my understanding was that most were at least restricting access. I'm just not convinced there's a ton more that they could do that would really be effective.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by O.city

They were sending positive cases back to them in various states. Thats not a focus.

Oh. Well, that's dumb.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by DaFace

It's bad in quantity because it spreads so fast, but as a percentage it isn't that bad compared to other diseases.

What other diseases?

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by DaFace

It's bad in quantity because it spreads so fast, but as a percentage it isn't that bad compared to other diseases.

It's a disease that is like interest.....1% is a number that usually makes people go oh that ain't shit but when it's 1% of a billion dollars it's a big ass number.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by Donger

What other diseases?

Mers killed people at a higher rate, just not nearly as many people contracted it.

It's like this, having 1% of a billion dollars nets you more than 25% of 1000 dollars.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Mers killed people at a higher rate, just not nearly as many people contracted it.

It's like this, having 1% of a billion dollars nets you more than 25% of 1000 dollars.

Yes, I know. Ebola has a CFR of 70%. SARS v1.0 was 10%

[Pants]

Originally Posted by Donger

Ebola has a CFR of 70%.

OMG. What?

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by Donger

What other diseases?

Here, I'll let this guy answer.

Originally Posted by Donger

Yes, I know. Ebola has a CFR of 70%. SARS v1.0 was 10%

[Donger]

Originally Posted by DaFace

Here, I'll let this guy answer.

What do you think the CFR of COVID-19 is?

[Pants]

Originally Posted by DaFace

Here, I'll let this guy answer.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by Donger

What do you think the CFR of COVID-19 is?

Obviously we're all just guessing a bit still, but given all the asymptomatic cases, I'm guessing 0.5% is in the ballpark. Maybe even a bit lower if the theory that there are a TON of asymptomatic cases proves to be true.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by DaFace

Obviously we're all just guessing a bit still, but given all the asymptomatic cases, I'm guessing 0.5% is in the ballpark. Maybe even a bit lower if the theory that there are a TON of asymptomatic cases proves to be true.

Interesting, thanks.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by DaFace

I just don't see an easy way of actually doing it. Nursing homes aren't designed to be clean rooms, and you can't easily prevent staff from going out into the world, catching it, and then bringing it in.

I suppose I don't fully know what nursing homes have been doing, but my understanding was that most were at least restricting access. I'm just not convinced there's a ton more that they could do that would really be effective.

I saw an owner of a nursing home describe how he was able to keep the virus out and that was himself and all his staff have been quarantined in campers parked outside the nursing home for 90 days so far I think.

That is about the only way.

At one of the larger meat packing outbreaks some workers lived with nursing home workers so you can predict how that ended.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by DaFace

I just don't see an easy way of actually doing it. Nursing homes aren't designed to be clean rooms, and you can't easily prevent staff from going out into the world, catching it, and then bringing it in.

I suppose I don't fully know what nursing homes have been doing, but my understanding was that most were at least restricting access. I'm just not convinced there's a ton more that they could do that would really be effective.

Workers live in hotels and are well compensated for it, isolated etc. There were things you could do.

But ****, I saw in Wisconsin like 80% of their deaths are from nursing homes. We've had 7 or 8 deaths in our country from it. All from 2 homes.