***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[IowaHawkeyeChief]

Originally Posted by Monticore

So they don’t count , cool

They count, but many of you discount the young healthy lives that were lost to H1N1 and the flu every year, in greater numbers than Covid. Covid is worse, but for a specific subset of the population. The story above is great, and the drug worked and the lady got better, but her story is an extremely rare occurence when it comes to Covid-19. It's currently estimated that 90% of hospitalizations and deaths are from those who are older than age 60 and/or an underlying condition.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by stumppy

Groudhog day on CP.
Same group of posters trying to find some...any angle to claim CV19 is the same or not as bad as the seasonal flu.

It's not even close to as bad as the flu

I keed I keed...and no one is saying that

[Donger]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Yeah cause **** them

No. Because COVID-19 is novel and deadlier than seasonal influenza. Do you dispute those facts?

[petegz28]

I wish someone would\could break down the data for states that are locked down the longest\tightest vs. states that are a bit looser.

Especially after Cuomo's revelation yesterday that people who stayed home are still getting the virus.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Donger

No. Because COVID-19 is novel and deadlier than seasonal influenza. Do you dispute those facts?

So if you die from the flu then no one cares. I get it. Do we have to reach flu levels before we stop caring about deaths from Covid?

[Donger]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Especially after Cuomo's revelation yesterday that people who stayed home are still getting the virus.

I haven't seen this, but I presume that these people had visitors, and weren't 100% isolated from other humans.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by petegz28

So if you die from the flu then no one cares. I get it. Do we have to reach flu levels before we stop caring about deaths from Covid?

I've said the opposite. Has anyone said what you are claiming?

[IowaHawkeyeChief]

Originally Posted by stumppy

Groudhog day on CP.
Same group of posters trying to find some...any angle to claim CV19 is the same or not as bad as the seasonal flu.

You say you believe in science, right? If you truly believe, hard stats show Covid-19 is not as dangerous for those young and healthy. Particularly under age 30, and most likely up to age 60 when the final IFR by age group is stated.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by petegz28

I wish someone would\could break down the data for states that are locked down the longest\tightest vs. states that are a bit looser.

Especially after Cuomo's revelation yesterday that people who stayed home are still getting the virus.

thats just about gotta be because they were coming inot contact with people who were asymptomatic and didnt know they were spreading it.


but it's a good thing if we have a bunch of asymptomatic people running around, right? :rolleyes

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Donger

I haven't seen this, but I presume that these people had visitors, and weren't 100% isolated from other humans.

Of course you haven't. It was only all over the news yesterday and posted about in here several times. And you can "presume" all you want but since you haven't seen it I'd say you should probably read about it first.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief

You say you believe in science, right? If you truly believe, hard stats show Covid-19 is not as dangerous for those young and healthy. Particularly under age 30, and most likely up to age 60 when the final IFR by age group is stated.

Damn old people always screw up cherry-picked numbers.

[IowaHawkeyeChief]

Originally Posted by Donger

I'm not wrong. This is new/novel. Seasonal flu is not. It's CFR is also higher than seasonal flu.

I'm aware that COVID-19 kills more elderly than young. So does seasonal flu. That doesn't change the fact that the CFR is higher than seasonal flu, which I presume you aren't going to try to dispute.

What's the estimated IFR by age group? Do you think H1N1 will have not only a higher IFR, but probably more deaths in lower ages?

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

thats just about gotta be because they were coming inot contact with people who were asymptomatic and didnt know they were spreading it.


but it's a good thing if we have a bunch of asymptomatic people running around, right? :rolleyes

Probably right on both counts really. You aren't ever going to build a herd immunity otherwise.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Of course you haven't. It was only all over the news yesterday and posted about in here several times. And you can "presume" all you want but since you haven't seen it I'd say you should probably read about it first.

Guess I missed it. I'll be pleased to read about it. Because if these people had zero physical contact with other humans, that means it is airborne.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Donger

I've said the opposite. Has anyone said what you are claiming?