***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

yeah just let people kill people and not even know it...

sounds fun.


i'm going to bow out for a while i think, some of you are ****ing dumb, selfish, and assholes

A lot of people are to that point now, they don't enjoy what life is, want it back to what it was and if that kills grandpa and grandma oh well they already lived their lives.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief

Now answer all of the questions... Will H1N1 have more deaths in lower ages than Covid?

I don't know. And I don't see why it matters from an overall perspective.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief

?

Ah, I see you edited.

[petegz28]

Metro hospitals closer to resuming non-emergency procedures
https://www.kmbc.com/article/metro-h...dures/32395822

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Mecca

A lot of people are to that point now, they don't enjoy what life is, want it back to what it was and if that kills grandpa and grandma oh well they already lived their lives.

Completely disingenuous. I assume you have not gone outside since all this started? Oh wait, it was okay to have someone go to work to get your soundbar.

See what i did there?

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Completely disingenuous. I assume you have not gone outside since all this started? Oh wait, it was okay to have someone go to work to get your soundbar.

See what i did there?

I'm not saying everyone feels that way but I'm hearing survival of the fittest arguments these days, we aren't exactly a nation of compassion that's for sure.

[IowaHawkeyeChief]

Originally Posted by The PMII Hypothesis

Exhausting really

****, you guys are exhausting... What's your plan?

33 million unemployed... If this continues, the human costs will be much higher than Covid. The stats show this 90% in a subset are most vulnerable. Let's put are energies and resources towards protecting this subset, while the rest start developing herd immunity. The Imperial College Model even stated that a 3-5 month shutdown would only flatten the curve, but a second outbreak would be much harsher due to less herd immunity being developed. Their submission strategy was for 12-18 months of this our until a vaccine. Do you think that's plausible? No job is safe. I have a good job and can work from home, but if we go on another 3-4 months with no travel and still far from normal, you can at least double the 33 million out of work, and the government gravy train will be broke.

[dirk digler]

When talking about flu or H1N1 you are using CDC estimates not actual numbers. Right now we have confirmed laboratory deaths way higher than either of those estimates from CDC.

When this pandemic ends the CDC will do an after action estimate and you can bet that estimate will be dramatically higher than probably those 2 combined.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Mecca

I'm not saying everyone feels that way but I'm hearing survival of the fittest arguments these days, we aren't exactly a nation of compassion that's for sure.

I think you are confusing in large part pragmatism with egregious selfishness. I agree there are some that are damn the torpedoes. I think they are fewer that some want to make out though.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief

****, you guys are exhausting... What's your plan?

33 million unemployed... If this continues, the human costs will be much higher than Covid. The stats show this 90% in a subset are most vulnerable. Let's put are energies and resources towards protecting this subset, while the rest start developing herd immunity. The Imperial College Model even stated that a 3-5 month shutdown would only flatten the curve, but a second outbreak would be much harsher due to less herd immunity being developed. Their submission strategy was for 12-18 months of this our until a vaccine. Do you think that's plausible? No job is safe. I have a good job and can work from home, but if we go on another 3-4 months with no travel and still far from normal, you can at least double the 33 million out of work, and the government gravy train will be broke.

Do you think it makes sense to wait until states/regions are seeing a 10 to 14 day downward trajectory of new cases before opening up, compared to opening up when the opposite is happening?

[F150]

Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief

****, you guys are exhausting... What's your plan?

33 million unemployed... If this continues, the human costs will be much higher than Covid. The stats show this 90% in a subset are most vulnerable. Let's put are energies and resources towards protecting this subset, while the rest start developing herd immunity. The Imperial College Model even stated that a 3-5 month shutdown would only flatten the curve, but a second outbreak would be much harsher due to less herd immunity being developed. Their submission strategy was for 12-18 months of this our until a vaccine. Do you think that's plausible? No job is safe. I have a good job and can work from home, but if we go on another 3-4 months with no travel and still far from normal, you can at least double the 33 million out of work, and the government gravy train will be broke.

And the death toll will fundamentally be the same, just took longer to get there whilst destroying lives and livelihoods of the survivors.

[IowaHawkeyeChief]

Originally Posted by Donger

Ah, I see you edited.

You quoted me Dong... I think you read what your mind thinks.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief

****, you guys are exhausting... What's your plan?

33 million unemployed... If this continues, the human costs will be much higher than Covid. The stats show this 90% in a subset are most vulnerable. Let's put are energies and resources towards protecting this subset, while the rest start developing herd immunity. The Imperial College Model even stated that a 3-5 month shutdown would only flatten the curve, but a second outbreak would be much harsher due to less herd immunity being developed. Their submission strategy was for 12-18 months of this our until a vaccine. Do you think that's plausible? No job is safe. I have a good job and can work from home, but if we go on another 3-4 months with no travel and still far from normal, you can at least double the 33 million out of work, and the government gravy train will be broke.

You know, it would be really annoying if there were strategies employed by numerous other countries that have stopped the disease in its tracks, especially if those strategies had been promoted by public health experts and on this thread for weeks, and that countries that had employed said strategies were actually able to open up after the period of initial lock down.

Oh wait...

[Donger]

Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief

You quoted me Dong... I think you read what your mind thinks.

Ah, so you deny that you originally had "Blue states" in that post?

[Loneiguana]

Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief

Yea... That's what we are saying...

Wouldn't are resources be better used protecting the vulnerable, that delaying the inevitable spread? 33 million unemployed in the US, let along what the economic impact is on developing countries. How many do you think will die because of these economic conditions? It appears logic is finally starting to take hold in some of the states who see the trend...

Reopening before this subsides harms small bussiness.

With a stay at home order, your small business has insurance and what to help you. Your employees have unemployment.

Ending the lock down too soon is a bailout to the insurance companies. Now, as 60 percent of the population still doesnt go out, you as a small businesses owner are on your own. You dont get business interrupted coverage. You dont get anything. The economy is reopen, it's your fault if you go under.

And we are forcing your employees off unemployment.

A lot of actual small businesses are going to negatively suffer from premature re opening. Because, get this, a large majority of Americans arent going to go out. Restaurants with thin margins and needing x number of tables served and hour wont survive limited customers.

And people like you are going to cheer on under a faux " what about economy" concern.