***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

Actually I have a study done that say that its a inhibitor of SARS from 2005. I'll look for it but yes....

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1232869/

It they prove it works awesome so far they haven't shown that with this version.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

You didn't get the memo? Those people don't count.

oh they count and it's a terrible thing.

but they made a choice, right?

who is choosing to get the virus?

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by Monticore

It they prove it works awesome so far they haven't shown that with this version.

Sure,

But they did show it with a CoronaVirus SARS in 2005

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

oh they count and it's a terrible thing.

but they made a choice, right?

who is choosing to get the virus?

Thats a completely flawed thought process, no these people didn't make the choice to be in lockdown because of the virus.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

Sure,

But they did show it with a CoronaVirus SARS in 2005

it didn't show it could cure it or treat it , but that it could potentially reduce the spread.

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

The projected death toll from the lockdown measures, according to this study...

Link: https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/us-...36c241dac365f8

Deaths from alcohol are 99% preventable.

Sounds like we should ban it.

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by Monticore

it didn't show it could cure it or treat it , but that it could potentially reduce the spread.

No one has ever made the argument it was a CURE. And yes therapy is a form of treatment and says it right there in the study conclusions.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

didnt they random test some people in springfield recently? how many of them were positive?

Supposedly 900 including 200 front line workers

They did pcr testing so it wouldn’t show it they had had it and recovered though

[dirk digler]

Mark Cuban - I Hired a Team of Secret Shoppers to Find Out How Businesses Were Opening in Dallas. It’s Not Good.

https://blogmaverick.com/2020/05/07/...-its-not-good/

Overview:
1)Re-opening Rate: Only 36% of businesses chose to open on the opening weekend. Media coverage, showcasing owner sentiment and infection statistics, paint a picture of a large degree of latent fear in the marketplace.

2) Aggregate Degree of Safety Protocol Compliance – By Locations: Overall – 96% of businesses were non-compliant across all mandatory protocols and all locations. The extent of non-compliance is dramatic with ~1/3 of all locations being <50% compliant across mandatory protocols as established by the Governor’s office.


3)Aggregate Degree of Safety Protocol Compliance – By Protocols: On average, ~60% of mandatory protocols were followed and ~54% of all suggested protocols were followed. In aggregate – locations followed ~58% of all mandatory + suggested protocols.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Thats a completely flawed thought process, no these people didn't make the choice to be in lockdown because of the virus.

nice spin...


but they definitely made a choice on suicide, drugs and alcohol...right?

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

No one has ever made the argument it was a CURE. And yes therapy is a form of treatment and says it right there in the study conclusions.

So they blatantly ignoring this finding from 2005 , just because? Is there a possibility there have been other tests done since then that you are not privy to.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Deaths from alcohol are 99% preventable.

Sounds like we should ban it.

again, thats a CHOICE...


how many people are choosing to get covid 19?

[Kidd Lex]

Originally Posted by O.city

https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance...iaa450/5821281

Interesting study here. To me, shows that there’s some innate immunity with certain people and they may not be able to contract or can contract and it’s just so mild they don’t know. Also kinda flies in the face that this is so spreadable which is weird compared to prisons

It’s looking more and more like kids aren’t vectors for this like they are for the flu so that’s good for schools

That’s wild, amazing that in the household the transmission of quarantined people once the person was quarantined at the onset best of symptoms was 0%. I don’t understand Covid at all, and I’ve read about everything there is to read. Tells me in New York that the sewer systems or something odd caused a ton of the outbreak, just like Sars. Probably that and the subway and then of course in nursing homes you have a lot of people with close contact and weaker immune systems. Also in apartment buildings the way the air circulates is probably a huge spreader too. Hmmm....

[O.city]

Originally Posted by The PMII Hypothesis

That’s wild, amazing that in the household the transmission of quarantined people once the person was quarantined at the onset best of symptoms was 0%. I don’t understand Covid at all, and I’ve read about everything there is to read. Tells me in New York that the sewer systems or something odd caused a ton of the outbreak, just like Sars. Probably that and the subway and then of course in nursing homes you have a lot of people with close contact and weaker immune systems. Also in apartment buildings the way the air circulates is probably a huge spreader too. Hmmm....

I thought the same thing too. If the RO is so high, without some type of natural immunity to this, the familiar transmission would have been way higher, right?

New York is just a tinder box I'm guessing. With the tight living, subway, etc.

It's not (so far) playing out like that anywhere else in the US. Hopefully we can keep it that way.

[Mecca]

So who thought this was a good idea because there are way to many jokes...