***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Demonpenz]

Originally Posted by notorious

No shit, but it’s real.

I can’t wrap my mind around it, but you know there is some asshole out there that will blame someone else for their decision.

I think assumed risk is going to be built in on big ass events. Everyone is aware of this. Now smaller things who knows like one on one events.

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by Third Eye

You literally just did that. You posted that this is an indicator that it is tapering out, which is in no way supported by that graphic.

Well ACTUALLY thats what the WHO is indicating by that line... So......

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by Pablo

Bleeding Red isn't fairing so well outside of his DC safe space.

Ahhh one of my frequent customers.... Welcome back

[Donger]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

Well ACTUALLY thats what the WHO is indicating by that line... So......

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by Donger

[Donger]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

That twice you've been wrong today alone. Going to try to make it three or more?

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by petegz28

No, dude. It's not. It is beyond ****ing idiotic. Most people who abuse their children or spouses or drugs and alcohol for that matter are sick and have problems. whether it's anger, bipolar, addictions, whatever. They don't do it just because "they choose too".

I swear you are either a giant ****ing idiot or you have never actually met a person or people in those situations.

ok pete, i've never met a drug addict or abuser...not once.


you ****ing idiot.


many people in this world have anger, dependence, bipolar whatever and dont kill themselves or beat women and children. because they choose not to.

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

ok pete, i've never met a drug addict or abuser...not once.


you ****ing idiot.


many people in this world have anger, dependence, bipolar whatever and dont kill themselves or beat women and children. because they choose not to.

Off topic, but what were the rates of DV/Child abuse during Matt Cassel Vs Patrick Mahomes?

I bet there is a statistical difference.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

And people who are worried about the corona virus make a CHOICE to leave their house.

back to that huh?


not everyone can have someone wait on them hand and foot, no matter what you believe

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

ok pete, i've never met a drug addict or abuser...not once.


you ****ing idiot.


many people in this world have anger, dependence, bipolar whatever and dont kill themselves or beat women and children. because they choose not to.

Apparently you haven't. Or you are just so full of shit you have no ****ing idea of what you're talking about in this case.

[IowaHawkeyeChief]

Originally Posted by Pablo

Bleeding Red isn't fairing so well outside of his DC safe space.

We are trying to keep the petty BS out of this thread...

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by Donger

Some people will view that and think it's showing a decline in cases.

As testing goes up and the positivity number goes down that is a good thing.

[R Clark]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

back to that huh?


not everyone can have someone wait on them hand and foot, no matter what you believe

Damn it I am disappointed, looking forward to staying den up and sitting on my ass

[srvy]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

There was a study published to NEJM with data taken from Columbia Presb. in New York.

1376 patients were enrolled in an observational trial for the use of hydroxychloroquine. The patients started on it were sicker than average, but this was adjusted for in the statistical analysis. The study found that there was no benefit from hydroxychloroquine in reducing either time to intubation or death.

Clinical guidance at our medical center has been updated to remove the suggestion that patients with Covid-19 be treated with hydroxychloroquine. In our analysis involving a large sample of consecutive patients who had been hospitalized with Covid-19, hydroxychloroquine use was not associated with a significantly higher or lower risk of intubation or death (hazard ratio, 1.04; 95% CI, 0.82 to 1.32). The study results should not be taken to rule out either benefit or harm of hydroxychloroquine treatment, given the observational design and the 95% confidence interval, but the results do not support the use of hydroxychloroquine at present, outside randomized clinical trials testing its efficacy.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2012410

It's the biggest single study I've seen on hydroxychloroquine use thus far, and, although not randomized, with the weight of other evidence I would argue that this makes a fairly strong case for a lack of efficacy.

What will happen next is that the people who still support using this drug will claim that it needs to be given earlier in treatment and/or with azithromycin.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

As testing goes up and the positivity number goes down that is a good thing.

How can cases go up if positivity goes down? Asking for a friend.....