Busted ankle and Opioids

[Holladay]

My big dogs were playing with me while I was on a sheet of ice. Boom goes the dynamite!

Surgery, plates and screws. I have a bottle of Oxycodone 5 mg x 42 pills. 1 pill every 4 hrs.

The day after op, I was popping them like candy. Helped a bit. 3 days after, 1 per 3.5 hrs. 6 days post op I will take 2-3 for the whole day. Wakeup, Bedtime and a misc.

So the question is how does a person become addicted to these suckers?

I still have 5 more weeks in the cast, then 2-4 in a boot.

Tomorrow, I'll see if just ibuprofen 200 mg will do.

Do they use get high? Trips? Or is there pseudo pain that people use to feel better?

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by penguinz

I get no more pain relief from oxy or hydrocodone than I do a couple of Advil.

Only painkillers I can recall getting a strong pain relief from is fentanyl.

You are trolling, right? Isn't Fentanyl what killed Prince when he thought it was Oxy? They don't give Fentanyl to use outside of a hospital?

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

You are trolling, right? Isn't Fentanyl what killed Prince when he thought it was Oxy? They don't give Fentanyl to use outside of a hospital?

They gave my mom fentanyl patches to take home when she had a broken shoulder.

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by oldman

I've broken the same ankle twice. The last time I did it, I required surgery and got an 8 inch plate along with 17 pins for my effort since both bones were broken. They kept pushing the oxy on me and I kept telling them no. It wasn't pleasant but I got by. When I had my hip replaced, they tried again with both oxy and Tylenol 3, but I'm a stubborn old coot, so all they could get down me was ibuprofen.

It's legal and my insurance is paying the tab?

I'll take a double.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by NewChief

My kid broke both wrists a few weeks back. One was an open fracture requiring stitches. The other needed pins. He was off the Oxy in 2 days and down to ibuprofen. We are still giving him CBD at night but no other pain meds, and that's mainly to help a 12 year old, who is used to constant athletic activity and now getting very little, sleep.

I'd like to know why some other kid injured his shoulder and needs Oxy initially like your son goes on to have an issue with opioids? Why does one person spiral out of control and the other person doesn't? They have the same economic and social backgrounds. Sure seems to me that we haven't figured out, as of yet, why one spirals out of control and another doesn't.

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

I'd like to know why some other kid injured his shoulder and needs Oxy initially like your son goes on to have an issue with opioids? Why does one person spiral out of control and the other person doesn't? They have the same economic and social backgrounds. Sure seems to me that we haven't figured out, as of yet, why one spirals out of control and another doesn't.

It's strange. Some people just have the "addiction" gene. It seems like I couldn't get psychologically addicted to the shit if I tried. I've even had the "physical" addiction thing happen, quit cold turkey. Cigarettes? Quit cold turkey. The worst case of addiction I've personally experienced was actually caffeine, specifically Coca-Cola. That shit was horrible. Not even joking. Sometimes drank a 12 pack a day. Woke up one morning with the shakes and jerking like a lab rat. I didn't have any Coca-Cola in the house, and the lust I had for a Coke consumed me and drove me to get dressed, get my wallet, and walk around the corner to Break Time and get 2 20ozs, one of which I cracked open on the way to the register. I assume that's how crackheads lust after crack, or the opiate addicts are physically and psychologically driven to seek opiates. It was horrible. So I tapered down and quit. Nowadays, I can enjoy a Coke and a smile and shut the **** up without any issues.

[NewChief]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

I'd like to know why some other kid injured his shoulder and needs Oxy initially like your son goes on to have an issue with opioids? Why does one person spiral out of control and the other person doesn't? They have the same economic and social backgrounds. Sure seems to me that we haven't figured out, as of yet, why one spirals out of control and another doesn't.

Yeah. It's a mystery. Ours is young still and I'm under no illusions that things might change as he gets older, but he's pretty much made sure to keep off of them. That's likely because we talk pretty explicitly with them about dangers of addiction to opioids. There are also lots of cautionary tales out there from people he respects in the mountain bike and action sports world of getting hooked on opioids after injury. So people in that scene are now hyper aware of it and talk about it openly.

[Molitoth]

Originally Posted by Pablo

Crush three up and dome them. Then get back to us.

For science.

rofl. dude you crack me up.

[dlphg9]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

You are trolling, right? Isn't Fentanyl what killed Prince when he thought it was Oxy? They don't give Fentanyl to use outside of a hospital?

Yes fake oxy that is actually pressed fent is responsible for a lot of deaths and whoever was Prince's drug guy got duped into buying fakes. Fentanyl pressed pills have become more prevalent ever since the DEA and government started cracking down on pill mills and then doctors got scared of prescribing opiates and the supply dropped and the street price of oxy and hydros sky rocketed. Most people can't afford to spend thousands of dollars a month on that stuff, so they turn to heroin or fent and eventually do too much or get clean for awhile and then decide they want to get high and take as much as before when they're tolerance was higher and cant handle it and die.

The DEA and government are just as much to blame as the pharmaceutical companies for the opioid crisis. You cant allow people to be on these drugs for years and years, then decide "oh well this is addictive, so it's bad and youcant have it". Opioid wd is absolute hell.

[Monticore]

Opioids are a big pain in the ass for my wife it is very hard to quantify pain and not everyone has the same pain threshold , so she has patients signs contracts which include random drugs screens and the ability to get police involved if she suspects dealing and releasing them for abuse.


Specialists still over prescribe them because they don’t want to deal with you once you leave and leave the GPs to deal with it.

My surgeon forced me to take a script for 60 perks even though I told him I was fine with Tylenol, I just tore up the script.

[redshirt32]

I can attest to the fact oxy is pure hell when your out.

Went from 30 5mg tabs a month to 180, all through the VA for 6 plus years.
30mg a day is not alot compared to what others were getting.

Quit cold turkey Nov 2016, pure hell for 3 to 4 weeks.
The wife said get back on them your fine with them, I told her when im out it's pure fkn hell not taking another.
Once I made my decision all the docs agreed, stay the course you just need to calm fk the down and quit treating staff/family like shit while detoxing.
Get off oxy/hydro asap

[Naptown Chief]

Originally Posted by redshirt32

I can attest to the fact oxy is pure hell when your out.

Went from 30 5mg tabs a month to 180, all through the VA for 6 plus years.
30mg a day is not alot compared to what others were getting.

Quit cold turkey Nov 2016, pure hell for 3 to 4 weeks.
The wife said get back on them your fine with them, I told her when im out it's pure fkn hell not taking another.
Once I made my decision all the docs agreed, stay the course you just need to calm fk the down and quit treating staff/family like shit while detoxing.
Get off oxy/hydro asap

Even doing a slow taper (~5 months) was shit for me. I was up to 80mg hydrocodone/day (8x 10/325) and, on particularly painful days, 8mg Dilaudid 2-3 a day (this was on top of 3600mg gabapentin and 60mg cymbalta for nerve pain). 80-70mg and then 70-60mg (1 week per drop) wasn't too terrible, but was by no means fun, but once I got down to about 50mg I had to go 5 at a time. Once down to 25mg or so I would go 2 weeks per drop because it started getting SO rough. By the end of it all (December 2019) I was still dope sick for a week. There was definitely still depression, insomnia, and a drastic increase in pain, but I'd do it all again. Unfortunately I'm still on max gabapentin and cymbalta.

****ing nasty stuff, man. I might be regarded as nothing more than a troll, and not a particularly good one, but I'm definitely here for anyone struggling with drug addiction or alcoholism.

[Indian Chief]

Originally Posted by rabblerouser

It's strange. Some people just have the "addiction" gene. It seems like I couldn't get psychologically addicted to the shit if I tried. I've even had the "physical" addiction thing happen, quit cold turkey. Cigarettes? Quit cold turkey. The worst case of addiction I've personally experienced was actually caffeine, specifically Coca-Cola. That shit was horrible. Not even joking. Sometimes drank a 12 pack a day. Woke up one morning with the shakes and jerking like a lab rat. I didn't have any Coca-Cola in the house, and the lust I had for a Coke consumed me and drove me to get dressed, get my wallet, and walk around the corner to Break Time and get 2 20ozs, one of which I cracked open on the way to the register. I assume that's how crackheads lust after crack, or the opiate addicts are physically and psychologically driven to seek opiates. It was horrible. So I tapered down and quit. Nowadays, I can enjoy a Coke and a smile and shut the **** up without any issues.

We have around 10 million people in the U.S. that battle addiction. 50% of people quit cold turkey -- alcohol, opioids, cigarettes, anything -- and never touch it again.

It would be great to understand that half of the numbers.

[Demonpenz]

The fear or pain of doing drugs gets far greater like far far far far far far greater than the jones for a hit or a pull. Like people that are terrified of going back to prison or fear of dying that pain gets strong enough you will quit just by the situation. Like the fear of my family finding out I am doing drugs again and how that feels hoo boy the jones part doesn't even find it's way through the fear.

[Demonpenz]

I think the addiction just comes from a massive seritonin dump. Like even when I take some ibuprofion I can feel it more than I think other people can placebo or not. Probably after years and years of depression and getting relief from drugs and booze if I put any pill in my mouth my brain dumps some memories of good times and seritonin in my body.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by Indian Chief

We have around 10 million people in the U.S. that battle addiction. 50% of people quit cold turkey -- alcohol, opioids, cigarettes, anything -- and never touch it again.

It would be great to understand that half of the numbers.

its a weird thing that can’t be explained easily. I got the steroid shot twice. Pain free for 5 weeks each time. Didn’t take any Oxy. Had no desire to take any whatsoever. I quit smoking cigarettes after 13 years cold turkey. I’ve lost 100lbs but still a fat ass. So obviously I don’t have this fantastic strong will. There just isn’t any correlation that I’ve seen as to why one person has an issue and another doesn’t. Or even in the same person like myself.