***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by O.city

Best bet is we slowly start opening up, don't see a spike. Keep slowly opening up and no spikes. Then you can slowly get back to normal.

If you are to believe the data, to this point Georgia has seen no spike after reopening roughly 2 weeks ago.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Yes I do, but I also believe at some point you just have to say we tried and it’s time to go back to normal. I’m nowhere near there, but months from now? Possibly.

And that is where there will be a huge struggle on both sides, what if your dad or kid has cancer? Or you have grandparents that are in their 80s, no one wants to feel like they are sacrificing family members.

If this thing keeps chugging a long full bore during the summer there is no good solution.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by Donger

Just imagine what it would have possibly been like without the mitigation efforts we've enacted.

Bullshit, if it’s that bad than the mitigation efforts were futile. That’s the only logical explanation.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

If you are to believe the data, to this point Georgia has seen no spike after reopening roughly 2 weeks ago.

Sure but you can also use the Texas data that says they are seeing 1000+ increase in new cases a day since doing the same.

[Kidd Lex]

The table showing odds ratio of COVID positivity in their patient population on the basis of blood type is as follows. COVID still happens in all blood types, but there do appear to be modest-but-real effects of blood type on risk.



https://twitter.com/vitamin_kt/statu...760814080?s=21

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Bullshit, if it’s that bad than the mitigation efforts were futile. That’s the only logical explanation.

If you look at whats happening in nursing homes still, with mitigation, you have to wonder what the real impact has been.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Bullshit, if it’s that bad than the mitigation efforts were futile. That’s the only logical explanation.

Actually, the models showed 1 to 2.2 million dead without any mitigation. They showed 100 to 240,000 dead with the mitigation efforts.

It's very odd to argue that the mitigation efforts have had no effect.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by Mecca

And that is where there will be a huge struggle on both sides, what if your dad or kid has cancer? Or you have grandparents that are in their 80s, no one wants to feel like they are sacrificing family members.

If this thing keeps chugging a long full bore during the summer there is no good solution.

I have 2 grandmothers that I have to worry about, but even they would tell you if this shit hasn’t worked months from now, it’s time to try to go back to normal.

A lot of elderly people I’ve spoken to don’t want to see their (great) grandchildren lose a huge chunk of their childhood and the economy be completely ****ed just to possibly save them.

[Ebolapox]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Cuban is a ****ing pussy that would clearly have everybody hide inside until we get a vaccine.

I’m sorry, but anybody that believes that can go **** themselves.

wow, most billionaires are ****ing pussies who get tested daily (haha joe rogan) and most of them (like 99%) are still socially distancing. The billionaires that want to end social distancing and get THE ECONOMY ROLLING (aka, sorry if this is political, want to keep the trickle up economics working. bailouts certainly gave them way more than 'we the people').

They don't care about you. They don't care about me unless I'm a billionaire too.

it's rich vs poor and guess what most of us are...

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Cuban suggesting we need to have access to daily testing for everyone across the country before going back to normal is not laying it down, its being a ****ing moron.

No he is not a moron and he is talking about his employees and players. You can't have contact sports without daily testing. You know that right?

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Bullshit, if it’s that bad than the mitigation efforts were futile. That’s the only logical explanation.

If you view prevention of the healthcare system collapsing from surge and 1-2 million excess deaths as futile...

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Sure but you can also use the Texas data that says they are seeing 1000+ increase in new cases a day since doing the same.

According to this the trend looks more or less the same as early April in Texas.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/texas/

[TLO]

Originally Posted by O.city

Best bet is we slowly start opening up, don't see a spike. Keep slowly opening up and no spikes. Then you can slowly get back to normal.

I've been keeping a very close eye right here at home in Buchanan County since we opened up right as we had a boat load of people test positive down at Triumph. Our daily numbers haven't necessarily "spiked". We are having a few people test positive each day. Our number of hospitalizations has gone from 2 to 10 over the past couple weeks.

Is this a result of the Triumph outbreak? Is it a result of more testing? I can't wrap my mind around it.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by Donger

Actually, the models showed 1 to 2.2 million dead without any mitigation. They showed 100 to 240,000 dead with the mitigation efforts.

It's very odd to argue that the mitigation efforts have had no effect.

I’m not arguing that. We’re clearly talking about the hypothetical of things not getting any better for months.

Of course I believe it has helped, if only because it’s my hope.

[KC_Lee]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Sure but you can also use the Texas data that says they are seeing 1000+ increase in new cases a day since doing the same.

Given that the virus has a reported two week incubation period an increase in new cases a day after the state begins opening back up really is not correlated.