***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Actually I do not think we have learned much in that area. Its been known to be droplet spread from the get go I believe. What do you think has changed?

Our understanding of the size of droplets it can spread in has changed. We now know that it can travel in much smaller droplets than we originally knew. Big droplets fall to the ground quickly, so masks don't really matter. Small droplets can travel further, so having a mask to get in the way can help to prevent them from traveling as far.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

369 of the deaths are from St Louis city & county. KC has 16.

Is it largely from nursing homes up there or what? I can't find any info

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Actually I do not think we have learned much in that area. Its been known to be droplet spread from the get go I believe. What do you think has changed?

I think asymptomatic spread was the main reason for the change and also what they were doing initially wasn’t working so they modified it.

Also the fear of hoarding which would have made it hard for hospitals to acquire them. My wife is still having a hard time getting N95 and prices have tripled if not more.

[eDave]

The temperament of this thread is shit.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

369 of the deaths are from St Louis city & county. KC has 16.

What about the areas around KC?

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by Halfcan

Where did I purport it was recent? The fact is, he said this. It is common sense that your mask will get cross-contaminated unless you are doing everything 100% correct.

I am not trying to mislead anyone.

You posted a video from 2-3 months ago, uploaded with a date of 4 days ago, with a description that "Dr Fauci now says no masks." Your own caption in this thread was "Fauci says mask are useless!" when his current stance has changed entirely, and anyone who has paid any attention at all would know that.

If you can't see how that is misleading, I can't help you.

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by TLO

What about the areas around KC?

110.

[Halfcan]

Originally Posted by Donger

He doesn't say they are useless at all.

He states that it might make people "feel" better" but they should Not be walking around with a mask on.

It is a placebo- meaning useless- according to his own words.

If he has flipped a 180- great- but why did he say this?

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Halfcan

He states that it might make people "feel" better" but they should Not be walking around with a mask on.

It is a placebo- meaning useless- according to his own words.

If he has flipped a 180- great- but why did he say this?

He said it might stop a droplet. Therefore, it's not useless.

He also says "right now." I don't know when this video was taken, but I'd be willing to bet it was before we confirmed community spread and asymptomatic transmission.

[Halfcan]

Originally Posted by DaFace

You posted a video from 2-3 months ago, uploaded with a date of 4 days ago, with a description that "Dr Fauci now says no masks." Your own caption in this thread was "Fauci says mask are useless!" when his current stance has changed entirely, and anyone who has paid any attention at all would know that.

If you can't see how that is misleading, I can't help you.

The point is- he did a detailed interview- 65 days ago and specifically said- mask do not help. 7 out of 10 people not wearing them in public obviously believe this.

The media are the ones that scared everyone into the mask thing- not Fauci.

It is no wonder people question his credibility when he flip flops on something so basic as the usefulness of a mask during a pandemic.

[Lzen]

Originally Posted by Donger

Just wear a mask. You'll be fine.

[Lzen]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Hey if you're bored you can have the day I've had for the last 24 hours, gas company at my house, gas being turned off and on, eventually turning it off at the meter, realizing a couple of my joins to my water heater and furnace are leaking gas fixing those then find out a valve is leaking so having to turn it off again...

So hey that will all go a long way to giving you something to do.

I feel for you, brother. At my old house, we had an old concrete porch replaced with a wooden deck. The guys doing the demolition must have hit the gas line because when we got home, we could smell the natural gas. Had to have the gas company come out. They shut off our gas and, of course, would not turn it back on until we had a plumber out to fix it. Luckily, this was in September so we didn't need it for heat, but still a pain in the butt.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by Halfcan

The point is- he did a detailed interview- 65 days ago and specifically said- mask do not help. 7 out of 10 people not wearing them in public obviously believe this.

The media are the ones that scared everyone into the mask thing- not Fauci.

It is no wonder people question his credibility when he flip flops on something so basic as the usefulness of a mask during a pandemic.

There are people higher up than him that have flip flopped since the beginning.

[Lzen]

Originally Posted by CasselGotPeedOn

Former acting CDC director Richard Besser, former HHS secretary Kathleen Sebelius and activist Greta Thunberg join @AndersonCooper & @DrSanjayGupta for a live #CNNTownHall. Coronavirus - Facts and Fears, Thursday at 8 p.m. ET pic.twitter.com/I4FrXgwaL6

— CNN (@CNN) May 13, 2020

Greta Thunberg? WTF? CNN is a joke.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by Halfcan

The point is- he did a detailed interview- 65 days ago and specifically said- mask do not help. 7 out of 10 people not wearing them in public obviously believe this.

The media are the ones that scared everyone into the mask thing- not Fauci.

It is no wonder people question his credibility when he flip flops on something so basic as the usefulness of a mask during a pandemic.

None of this is true, but you don't seem to care about that.