***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

Click here for the original OP:

Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Mecca

What in the holy **** did I say that is political there?

Dude that's your standard answer. Now I am just flipping you shit but you post political shit them act like you have no idea how it is political.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by stumppy

You're not following the same lead as they are.

That was pretty much my thought cause I didn't see that as political.

[Lzen]

I know this vid is month old but he makes lot of great points. Very logical and will make you think.

https://youtu.be/5_CovnEdZEE

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by mr. tegu

He should have been banned from this thread long ago, but because he hasn’t been, it’s now a political thread. Post whatever politics you want as that what has been established.

this isnt a political thread.


dont post politics in it


and no pointing out that a state is double dipping their numbers isnt political...its pointing out a fact, not arguing party lines.

i dont see how thats hard to understand

[staylor26]

I don’t know about political, but it’s obvious people like Mecca want states like Georgia and Florida to fail so they could be right.

And don’t even try to pretend that’s not the case.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by staylor26

I don’t know about political, but it’s obvious people like Mecca want states like Georgia and Florida to fail so they could be right.

And don’t even try to pretend that’s not the case.

How is pointing out something they are doing, have anything to do with being right?

Isn't a state cooking it's numbers something that everyone should know cause it's dishonest at best.

[mr. tegu]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

this isnt a political thread.


dont post politics in it


and no pointing out that a state is double dipping their numbers isnt political...its pointing out a fact, not arguing party lines.

i dont see how thats hard to understand

Originally Posted by Mecca

To add to honestly just how ****ing stupid people really are these days.

The fact that handling a deadly pandemic has been turned into a culture war and partisan issue in the States on a level that no other major country has any parallel to is a searing indictment of the way news is covered in the US.

The people leading the "protests" against quarantines right now are militia nuts, anti-vaxxers, conspiracy theorists, and people getting paid by billionaires looking for an astroturf opportunity, but we'll still get the New York Times interviewing both the governor of Michigan and a leading protestor and giving them equal billing in their headlines, since "both sides need to be heard."

Spoiler alert: NO, THEY ****ING WELL DO NOT BOTH NEED TO BE HEARD, NOR GIVEN EQUAL CREDENCE, YOU INSUFFERABLE COWARDS.

There's an old article about the failure of American media over the past few decades called "The View from Nowhere"; basically, the longtime accusation that the media is "liberal" has created an atmosphere where editors want their journalists to avoid ever making anything even resembling a value judgment, so coverage has to be "Well, Side A says that oxygen is necessary for human beings to breathe and live, while Side B argues that giraffes emit high-frequency, tumor-inducing microwaves and thus must all be hunted to extinction. Who's correct? Really, who can say? We're just shining daylight on the issue."

Basically, they're afraid of offending partisans and potentially losing their business. Instead, the biggest media coverage will go to stories that aren't as likely to set off partisan rancor, like celebrity scandals, plane crashes, college aged girls going missing during Spring Break, etc.

This goes along with an old lie, that "sunlight is the best disinfectant", the idea that if you put the spotlight on a ridiculous, awful, or downright evil set of ideas that it'll get people talking about them and reveal to the world how bad they are, that you'll "start a conversation" about them and that will fix everything. Problem is: there is zero evidence of this being effective. If anything, the evidence points to giving a stage to conspiracy theorists, Nazis, climate change deniers, misogynists, anti-vaxxers, and other assorted tools leading to, get this...more people getting exposed to their uninformed or harmful opinions and agreeing with them, because you've just leant them credibility by giving them space on your TV network/newspaper/etc. What a twist! But since the paper/channel/news outlet gave them a platform, they'll use that to say "You can't accuse us of being biased, we heard from BOTH SIDES!"...again, when one side says "Clean water is good" and the other argues "**** that, drink mercury, it's great", no, there are not two sides to that issue.

So, yeah, even though literally over 2/3rds of America believes businesses mostly need to remain closed or otherwise highly limited during this (and percentages are much higher with regards to keeping things like schools closed and other places that aren't directly tied to people's ability to make money), the protests were still given breathless coverage by our news media, and surprise-surprise, they're being used by nihilistic politicians to turn what should be a unified national effort to save lives into a partisan fight over "muh freedoms", guns (for some reason), conspiracies about communism, and "very good people" storming statehouses and threatening to kill a duly elected governor. It's a goddamned disaster.

And now I'm rather sure I probably offended someone with that take on the dumbassery of people during all of this.

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[Mecca]

Yep I said that and even said after the fact that I should scale back after that and I did, that was like weeks ago though so good cherry pick.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by Mecca

How is pointing out something they are doing, have anything to do with being right?

Isn't a state cooking it's numbers something that everyone should know cause it's dishonest at best.

I’m not talking about that specific post. I’m talking about reading through ALL your bullshit in this thread, and that goes for those on the other side of this as well, not just you.

[dirk digler]

Haven't been following this thread in the last few days so don't know if this has been posted but China is seeing new cases up north by Russia and the virus is possibly changing.

https://fortune.com/2020/05/20/is-co...vid-19-update/

Chinese doctors are seeing the coronavirus manifest differently among patients in its new cluster of cases in the northeast region compared to the original outbreak in Wuhan, suggesting that the pathogen may be changing in unknown ways and complicating efforts to stamp it out.

Patients found in the northern provinces of Jilin and Heilongjiang appear to carry the virus for a longer period of time and take longer to test negative, Qiu Haibo, one of China’s top critical care doctors, told state television on Tuesday.

Patients in the northeast also appear to be taking longer than the one to two weeks observed in Wuhan to develop symptoms after infection, and this delayed onset is making it harder for authorities to catch cases before they spread, said Qiu, who is now in the northern region treating patients.

Qiu said that doctors have also noticed patients in the northeast cluster seem to have damage mostly in their lungs, whereas patients in Wuhan suffered multi-organ damage across the heart, kidney and gut.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by Mecca

The same people who are using these lines, are the people who gave exactly 2 shits about any of those issues until it affected their ability to profit off those people.

Complete and total bullshit. Not sure if you noticed from your high horse but alcohol sales are through the roof, the profit is being made there.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

this isnt a political thread.


dont post politics in it


and no pointing out that a state is double dipping their numbers isnt political...its pointing out a fact, not arguing party lines.

i dont see how thats hard to understand

Then you should have booted Mecca weeks ago.

[mr. tegu]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Yep I said that and even said after the fact that I should scale back after that and I did, that was like weeks ago though so good cherry pick.

Ah yes, the I am going to post something extremely inflammatory and political in an expressly non-political thread and just apologize for it. If only that were the only post of yours throughout this thread not political in nature. You should have been banned long ago, haven't, so it's fine. The threshold for ban worthy in this thread is very high, much so due to your work in this thread. Good for you.

[Lzen]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

....The WHO and CDC have made many mistakes in the past few months, which is okay since this is the real viral threat the world has faced in the past 100 years, but I hope they've learned from this so that the next time we're challenged by a highly contagious coronavirus, they don't send the public into a hoarding frenzy.

Ummm....

Hong Kong Flu

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-res...-pandemic.html

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by staylor26

I don’t know about political, but it’s obvious people like Mecca want states like Georgia and Florida to fail so they could be right.

And don’t even try to pretend that’s not the case.

i'm not sure anyone WANTS more people to get the virus and possibly die just so they could be right about an argument on chiefsplanet...


that just sounds not right to me, but ive been wrong before