***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

Click here for the original OP:

Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Donger

You are claiming that the CDC posted the underlined part?

Last one and if you don't like it then call the CDC cause personally I am done with your pedantic, DC, bullshit games on this.

In light of new data about how COVID-19 spreads, along with evidence of widespread COVID-19 illness in communities across the country, CDC recommends that people wear a cloth face covering to cover their nose and mouth in the community setting. This is to protect people around you if you are infected but do not have symptoms.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...cover-faq.html



Now, split your hairs, pretend it says something it doesn't, play your Donger games. Bottom line from the CDC and every other ****ing expert who has opined on the matter is masks are to prevent you from spreading, not getting.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by Lzen

If my memory is correct, I believe there was supposed to be a 3 drug combination? What's the 3rd drug?

zinc?

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Is it getting out of hand? We'll see. I hope not. But this ties back to patience: it's not only patience in lockdown, but patience before declaring victory. There weren't an unimaginable amount of cases nationwide before SIPOs began. That's what makes exponential growth so insidious--it looks so gradual that it can be ignored, until it can't.

Florida locked down late and opened up early. It seems as though there has been plenty of time for things to get out of hand.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Why peer-review is important:

There was an article published in NEJM about compassionate use of remdesivir. The authors claimed that 84% of patients had clinical improvement (note that without a control group, a large portion of these would have improved anyway). There was one problem: they classified patient deaths incorrectly on their survival curve. As a result, the improvement rate was only 74% according to them (and 70% according to the reviewers that caught the error).

This doesn't mean that remdesivir is ineffective, but it does shine light on the importance of the peer-review process in finding methodological errors.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2015312

[Donger]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Last one and if you don't like it then call the CDC cause personally I am done with your pedantic, DC, bullshit games on this.




https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...cover-faq.html



Now, split your hairs, pretend it says something it doesn't, play your Donger games. Bottom line from the CDC and every other ****ing expert who has opined on the matter is masks are to prevent you from spreading, not getting.

Yes, I've read that. Wearing masks is a great way to stop an infected person from spreading the virus. You'll note that it doesn't say anything about masks not preventing droplet spread in the other direction. Most likely because is such common sense that they didn't even think to mention it.

So, one last time, just to expose you (intended):

Why do you think that masks stop droplet spread only in one direction? Are they magic masks?

[POND_OF_RED]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

"It's not a chronic medication and vaccines are remarkably safe for inactivated viruses. Assuming there is nothing novel in its synthesis, the RCT data will give you sufficient info."

At this point I'm just going to assume that you're a troll, because it's clear that you aren't even attempting to read what I'm posting.

If by troll you mean an average American that doesn’t have a medical degree or read scientific research papers for fun than I’m happy to admit that I’m definitely a troll.

I was just trying to find out the earliest you would feel comfortable yourself taking a vaccine. I still don’t really know, which is why I feel like you answered like a politician. Your input would have been very valuable to my thought process when the vaccine becomes available. Luckily I work with hundreds of other pharmacists that are just as smart but somehow polite and helpful too. I’ll just keep using them for their input and sharing what they told me so that people hopefully don’t rush into an unsafe vaccine

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Last one and if you don't like it then call the CDC cause personally I am done with your pedantic, DC, bullshit games on this.




https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...cover-faq.html



Now, split your hairs, pretend it says something it doesn't, play your Donger games. Bottom line from the CDC and every other ****ing expert who has opined on the matter is masks are to prevent you from spreading, not getting.

Originally Posted by Donger

Yes, I've read that. Wearing masks is a great way to stop an infected person from spreading the virus. You'll note that it doesn't say anything about masks not preventing droplet spread in the other direction. Most likely because is such common sense that they didn't even think to mention it.

So, one last time, just to expose you (intended):

Why do you think that masks stop droplet spread only in one direction? Are they magic masks?

Gee, who didn't see that coming? Perhaps you can show us where the CDC or anyone else for that matter states such?

Just admit you were ****ing wrong and own it.

[Lzen]

I still don't think some of you posting these studies understand what Zelenko is promoting. Some of them don't include the zinc nor do they administer early.
Obviously, some experts in the medical field are interested enough as proven by these studies. The one they talk about in this piece is actually using his method. I'll be very interested in what it concludes.

https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2020/04...-for-covid-19/

Zelenko, who’s offered up his cases for peer review, is hopeful.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Gee, who didn't see that coming? Perhaps you can show us where the CDC or anyone else for that matter states such?

Just admit you were ****ing wrong and own it.

I'm not wrong at all, pete. Please explain why a mask only works one way. Go ahead.

Like I said, it's just common sense. Something which you apparently lack.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by kgrund

I get what you are saying, but your second paragraph points to what they have been saying that it being an antiviral, the key is the sooner the better. My bigger point is why waste studies on claims that most doctors that are advocates have largely not made? Focus on proving or disproving the point-in-time that giving the drug may help.

That's really hard to do, but it is being done.

There are trials underway right now on prophylactic use of hydroxychloroquine in healthcare workers.

On a population level, you'd need much more testing. You'd need to follow people closely to ascertain when they'd been infected, then you'd need to start therapy immediately, and ideally, control by not treating matched cohorts.

In lieu of that, large, retrospective pools of data, while flawed, do gave us information, but it requires parsing.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Donger

I'm not wrong at all, pete. Please explain why a mask only works one way. Go ahead.

Like I said, it's just common sense. Something which you apparently lack.

Sure, Donger. Which is why every expert has gone out of their way to say "it protects you from spreading not getting"......


You're on top of it as usual

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Donger

I'm not wrong at all, pete. Please explain why a mask only works one way. Go ahead.

Like I said, it's just common sense. Something which you apparently lack.

It's been posted several times. Go play your games with someone else.

[Kidd Lex]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Florida locked down late and opened up early. It seems as though there has been plenty of time for things to get out of hand.

I looked through a bit of your post history, it screams insecurity and mouth vomit. Find some data to support your positions instead of claiming “Mark Cubans a pussy” or whatever emotional rant you’re on about.

What we do know about Florida is they fired a data analyst the day after she sent a whistleblower email regarding how they wanted her to display data to help drum up support for a successful reopening. Why she was fired for certain probably can’t be determined, but it throws some smoke on Florida and their transparency of data.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbs...rebekah-jones/

“Emails obtained by the Tampa Bay Times show that one day before she lost her position keeping up coronavirus data, Jones objected to a removal of records showing people had positive tests or symptoms before cases were announced.”

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Lzen

I still don't think some of you posting these studies understand what Zelenko is promoting. Some of them don't include the zinc nor do they administer early.
Obviously, some experts in the medical field are interested enough as proven by these studies. The one they talk about in this piece is actually using his method. I'll be very interested in what it concludes.

https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2020/04...-for-covid-19/

An APhA webinar last month looked at seven studies regarding zinc.

"None of the evidence indicates that zinc inhibits SARS-CoV-2 viral replication, prevents viral infection, alleviates clinical symptoms, or alters the disease course of COVID-19. More data is needed to establish any relationship between zinc and treatment of the disease."

These studies included concmitant use with hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Kidd Lex

I looked through a bit of your post history, it screams insecurity and mouth vomit. Find some data to support your positions instead of claiming “Mark Cubans a pussy” or whatever emotional rant you’re on about.

What we do know about Florida is they fired a data analyst the day after she sent a whistleblower email regarding how they wanted her to display data to help drum up support for a successful reopening. Why she was fired for certain probably can’t be determined, but it throws some smoke on Florida and their transparency of data.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbs...rebekah-jones/

“Emails obtained by the Tampa Bay Times show that one day before she lost her position keeping up coronavirus data, Jones objected to a removal of records showing people had positive tests or symptoms before cases were announced.”

Never mind her criminal history ......