***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Bowser]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

If only there was a widely available prophylactic in 2017 that was demonstrated to reduce symptom severity, duration, and overall mortality that people could have gotten at hundreds of thousands of locations and would have caused absolutely no economic disruption whatsoever.

So what possible damage is being done to the populace by SIP and not getting out and around people at this point in time? What is the chance that those actions will somehow damage or weaken our immune systems by not interacting with one another until fall when the flu historically makes a comeback?

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by Donger

No, it's just accurate and honest.

It’s irrelevant.

We don’t go around blaming people for contributing to the spread of the flu or anything else that’s contagious for simply living their lives and not hiding inside. We don’t say everybody that has unprotected sex is a murdering asshole that’s possibly spreading AIDS.

You people are ****ing ridiculous.

[displacedinMN]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Are you really that shocked? People have been on home arrest for the last 2 months. What exactly do people expect?

shocked. no.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Are you really that shocked? People have been on home arrest for the last 2 months. What exactly do people expect?

Anyone that has left their home in the month of May shouldn't be shocked. April was a ****ing ghost down every where. After May 4th it looks like some old same old except for some people wearing mask here and there.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by staylor26

It’s irrelevant.

We don’t go around blaming people for contributing to the spread of the flu or anything else that’s contagious. We don’t say everybody that has unprotected sex is a murdering asshole that’s possibly spreading AIDS.

You people are ****ing ridiculous.

No, the fact that SARS-CoV-2 is contagious and car wrecks are not isn't relevant. You trying to equate them is, however.

Personally, I'd like to see people who have influenza mask up, or stay at home, sure. Don't you?

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by Donger

No, the fact that SARS-CoV-2 is contagious and car wrecks are not isn't relevant. You trying to equate them is, however.

Personally, I'd like to see people who have influenza mask up, or stay at home, sure. Don't you?

Address the examples I provided or shut the **** up.

Is everybody that has unprotected sex amoral?

Is everybody that continues to live their lives during flu season amoral?

Being contagious has nothing to do with it. Expecting everybody in the world to practice social distancing for months on end is just as ridiculous as expecting everybody to wear a condom when they have sex, stop driving all together, and practice social distancing every flu season.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by Bowser

So what possible damage is being done to the populace by SIP and not getting out and around people at this point in time? What is the chance that those actions will somehow damage or weaken our immune systems by not interacting with one another until fall when the flu historically makes a comeback?

Some viruses are better to be avoided than acquiring them for the sake of immunity.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Bowser

So what possible damage is being done to the populace by SIP and not getting out and around people at this point in time? What is the chance that those actions will somehow damage or weaken our immune systems by not interacting with one another until fall when the flu historically makes a comeback?

Are you prevented from leaving your house for 15 minutes a day a few times a week to get some sunshine?

[PAChiefsGuy]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Address the examples I provided or shut the **** up.

Is everybody that has unprotected sex amoral?

Is everybody that continues to live their lives during flu season amoral?

Being contagious has nothing to do with it. Expecting everybody in the world to practice social distancing for months on end is just as ridiculous as expecting everybody to wear a condom when they have sex, stop driving all together, and practice social distancing every flu season.

Stop trying to flip this around. The CoronaVirus isn't Aids. It's a unique virus that is extremely contagious. Just because your Grandparents didn't die from it doesnt mean it hasn't killed others

[staylor26]

Everything is so black and white with most of you.

Maybe that person that wants to go to the gym has mental health issues and that hour they spend 5 days a week there is crucial to their stability. Maybe they did their part in flattening the curve so hospitals wouldn’t be overrun and now they need to worry about themselves and their own life.

That doesn’t make them a piece of shit and the fact that some of you think like that ironically makes you one.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Yes, until the order is lifted. My businesses do follow the guidelines set in place by the city.

Then why did you call the governor of Michigan a Nazi?

[Bowser]

Originally Posted by Monticore

Some viruses are better to be avoided than acquiring them for the sake of immunity.

Not going to argue that.

But in the case of what I asked, how bad will the flu season be in fall/winter of '20 with other ailments not C-19 when our immune systems are potentially weakened from distancing? Pretty bad I would imagine, and I'm afraid all the doom and gloomers will use it for their own reasons to harp about C-19 and further lockdown and distancing policies (worse case scenario admittedly, but the point stands).

[tyecopeland]

Originally Posted by Donger

What precisely are your objections to wearing a mask?

I went into two stores in the st Louis area yesterday. The first one handed out masks. And that's how I ended up with my first mask. It was a shoe store so a lot of sitting. Wasn't too bad. 2nd store was target which said required a mask. Lot of walking. I found the mask to be very annoying and made it much harder to breath. Almost everyone was wearing a mask but the few who werent were not harassed by employees.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Everything is so black and white with most of you.


Maybe that person that wants to go to the gym has mental health issues and that hour they spend 5 days a week there is crucial to their stability. Maybe they did their part in flattening the curve so hospitals wouldn’t be overrun and now they need to worry about themselves and their own life.

That doesn’t make them a price of shit and the fact that some of you think like that ironically makes you one.

Maybe they could like...run outside or do some pushups, or look at one of thousands of home workouts available on YouTube, or get a Peloton, or one of hundreds of other options and still get exercise.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Address the examples I provided or shut the **** up.

Is everybody that has unprotected sex amoral?

Is everybody that continues to live their lives during flu season amoral?

Being contagious has nothing to do with it. Expecting everybody in the world to practice social distancing for months on end is just as ridiculous as expecting everybody to wear a condom when they have sex, stop driving all together, and practice social distancing every flu season.

I see no reason to address your anal sex question.

I already addressed your attempt at the flu analogy.

We have done what we did versus seasonal flu because:

1) This is a novel virus. All of us have been exposed to seasonal influenza.

2) This bug has a much higher fatality rate.

Just stop with the "it's just like the flu!" nonsense. It isn't.