***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Mecca]

Looks like we surpassed 100k deaths.

[Gravedigger]

Originally Posted by Merde Furieux

OH? But it's ok for you and your fan boys to hit and run, there?

FACT

Hydroxychloroquine -- has been in use for 65 years for the prevention or treatment of malaria, lupus, and rheumatoid arthritis. It is officially labeled a safe drug. Many doctors treating COVID-19 patients have found and reported HCQ, when used early enough together with zinc and the antibiotic Azithromycin to be an effective and safe treatment.

You don't like it? Tough tulips.

https://www.cardiovascularbusiness.c...hs-coronavirus

For this latest study, published on medRxiv and still awaiting a peer review, the researchers assessed data from 368 patients with confirmed cases of COVID-19. All patients were treated at medical centers affiliated with he U.S. Veterans Health Administration through April 11, 2020. Each patient was treated with hydroxychloroquine alone (97 patients), both hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin (113 patients) or no hydroxychloroquine at all (158 patients).

Overall, patients treated with hydroxychloroquine alone experienced a death rate of 27.8%. Patients treated with hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin had a death rate of 22.1%, and patients receiving neither treatment had a death rate of 11.4%. The risk of ventilation was similar for all three groups.

“In this study, we found no evidence that use of hydroxychloroquine, either with or without azithromycin, reduced the risk of mechanical ventilation in patients hospitalized with COVID-19,” wrote Joseph Magagnoli, MS, University of South Carolina, and colleagues. “An association of increased overall mortality was identified in patients treated with hydroxychloroquine alone. These findings highlight the importance of awaiting the results of ongoing prospective, randomized, controlled studies before widespread adoption of these drugs.”

Death rate is too high for use in widespread medical prescriptions. Even if it's the best we have at this time, doesn't make it a good option for some. 22% to 27% might be an acceptable death rate for you individually, but not for the medical community to recommend wide spread use.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

Fact,

Any opinion that counters some posters in here is labeled as "Wanting people to die" etc.

There is a difference between opinions and intentional misinformation based on political stance.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

Fact,

Any opinion that counters some posters in here is labeled as "Wanting people to die" etc.

I actually really don't care if you want to wear a mask or not, it's more the complete desire to sell it like it's some kind of noble action.

That could have been a 2 post conversation

I shouldn't have to wear a mask because I don't like it.

You know that makes you a selfish shithead right?

Yes but I don't care.

There ya go.

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by Monticore

There is a difference between opinions and intentional misinformation based on political stance.

Ok,

Well there is a difference between bias and none bias. Some of you clearly have a bias and accuse anyone you disagree with of having their own bias.

Never once has Hamas done his deep dive to debunk any HCQ studie (They have major flaws) that show it was bad. That shows his bias for a outcome that he has predetermined.

Same with you, I get you guys have a agenda to push but damn. please stop acting like you are some bastion of truth.

[Redbled]

Originally Posted by Mecca

I actually really don't care if you want to wear a mask or not, it's more the complete desire to sell it like it's some kind of noble action.

That could have been a 2 post conversation

I shouldn't have to wear a mask because I don't like it.

You know that makes you a selfish shithead right?

Yes but I don't care.

There ya go.

Trash people gonna be trash people. Easier to accept it and move on.

[ChiTown]

Originally Posted by Easy 6

This thread is straight trash, the arrogance on display renders it completely worthless

I've absolutely learned a few things from this thread. It's just been unfortunate that people can't be more respectful of differing opinions without lashing out. I really don't think it's that difficult to have a discussion without it turning into what DC generally turns into - A free for all shit show

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by Mecca

I actually really don't care if you want to wear a mask or not, it's more the complete desire to sell it like it's some kind of noble action.

That could have been a 2 post conversation

I shouldn't have to wear a mask because I don't like it.

You know that makes you a selfish shithead right?

Yes but I don't care.

There ya go.

Lmao you know you wanting everyone to do what you deem fit, makes you a selfish shithead right?

[BigBeauford]

Originally Posted by TLO

It'd be nice if that guy had a linked source.

Here you go.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by TLO

It'd be nice if that guy had a linked source.

The same thing was noted in Kentucky a day or two ago, but the article is behind a paywall, so I don't know about its veracity.

Here is the CDC website:

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

There is a way to search by cause of death by state and ICD-10 code, but it's extremely cumbersome.

I still think the best way to catch this, for now, is to look at excess mortality.

[petegz28]

I should know by tomorrow if I have had this Covid crap.....

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by BigBeauford

Here you go.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

There could be a direct correlation between people who are getting pneumonia and not wanting to go to hospital till its to late.

Doesn't mean States are hiding coronavirus numbers under pneumonia.

[Bugeater]

Originally Posted by Donger

So you don't know.

I get it man. We've been programmed to ignore what's gone on in this country for the past 30 years. And I'm fine with you being that way, but just spare us with the "do it for your fellow Americans" crap, mmkay?

[BleedingRed]

Talk about pushing conspiracy crap in this thread, want to jump down their throats everyone?

[BigBeauford]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

The same thing was noted in Kentucky a day or two ago, but the article is behind a paywall, so I don't know about its veracity.

Here is the CDC website:

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

There is a way to search by cause of death by state and ICD-10 code, but it's extremely cumbersome.

I still think the best way to catch this, for now, is to look at excess mortality.

If you scoll a little in my link, it's really easy to see regarding those staggering pneumonia statistics.